2 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

See, I told you so! 

I am nothing if not predictable lol.

Just now, Liberty City said:

She haunts you in your sleep, LOL. I'm fairly certain there is no daytime return happening for her after her burn at The Young and the Restless.

She does!  She may not return to daytime, but I know you will find a potential role for her somewhere😂  Poor, GT, she really did nothing to deserve the mocking I give her.

4 minutes ago, carolineg said:

She does!  She may not return to daytime, but I know you will find a potential role for her somewhere😂  Poor, GT, she really did nothing to deserve the mocking I give her.

🤣

4 hours ago, titan1978 said:

Mac was definitely at least a B level lead during Monty through the first couple of years of Labine. I feel he slipped more into supporting during the Stone storyline, and while onscreen wasn’t really a lead again after that for the most part.

The show put him front and center during the Ryan/Felicia storyline. And before that there were times I felt he was a newbie shoved down viewers throats.

AJ barely had a story of his own other than alcoholism. I would say up to 1995 Mac was B tier and AJ was C. 

The main difference for me between AJ and Mac in that period was that while AJ wasn't a lead, he also had distinct traits that did set up story for him and those around him. His feelings for Keesha, his inept business activities, how he impacted Jason, Ned and his parents, etc. Mac was mostly just there, often to react to others or to be a boyfriend.

3 hours ago, carolineg said:

I think I would consider Mac B-tier.  I would clump Ned, Jax, Tony and Alan at the same level during the 90's.  All of these guys drove big stories, but had periods where they weren't doing a whole lot.

Although I can't recall a "Mac" driven story after 1998 and the Tale of 2 Macs.

Honestly I think it's harder to rank the woman on the show. To me there are a lot more iconic woman from this show than men.

I was torn on where to put Tony, but I feel like the show mostly stopped writing for him after Labine left and then his story mostly became about what drove plot for other characters. 

I feel like Jax was at heart a B character and Ingo a B actor, but the show wanted him to be an A (for a while, anyway - not after Vanessa's '03 departure).

Edited May 8, 20241 yr by DRW50

3 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

I was torn on where to put Tony, but I feel like the show mostly stopped writing for him after Labine left and then his story mostly became about what drove plot for other characters. 

I feel like Jax was at heart a B character and Ingo a B actor, but the show wanted him to be an A (for a while, anyway - not after Vanessa's '03 departure).

Tony had a pretty strong arc with Carly/Michael and then his breakdown although one could argue the character never really came back from that.

I can agree about Jax.  I think he's more B tier, but there was a pretty brief, strong push for him to be a lead when MB left and he was Brenda's main love interest.  I think the investment was there after VM's 2003 departure, but once Jax tanked with Sam it was all over and he was just the default anti-Sonny guy.

.. the "evidence" is... blargh.,.. really?

13 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Tony had a pretty strong arc with Carly/Michael and then his breakdown although one could argue the character never really came back from that.

It's a mixed bag for me because I don't think most of that was framed as being about Tony in the end. I think Labine was the last writer who cared about him. If he had had a different fate after Guza's return I would probably rank him higher on their scale of importance.

Stone is 21 and living in a group-home outside of Quantico. whew.

12 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

It's a mixed bag for me because I don't think most of that was framed as being about Tony in the end. I think Labine was the last writer who cared about him. If he had had a different fate after Guza's return I would probably rank him higher on their scale of importance.

I can agree with that.  I don't think Guza had much interest in the type of character Tony was.  

Why is Carly telling Jack Brennan all this stuff. She is gonna get John killed. At least John was informed Carly visited Brennan. I did Like Lois/John Today. Although the only time they met was at Jagger and Karen's wedding in 94.

35 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

Stone is 21 and living in a group-home outside of Quantico. whew.

So Dex is not Stone

Edited May 8, 20241 yr by John

Gina Tognoni's like Candyman: say her name five times on a message board, she's bound to appear again somewhere.

1 hour ago, carolineg said:

I can agree about Jax.  I think he's more B tier, but there was a pretty brief, strong push for him to be a lead when MB left and he was Brenda's main love interest.  I think the investment was there after VM's 2003 departure, but once Jax tanked with Sam it was all over and he was just the default anti-Sonny guy.

If not for the fact that his daughter remains on the canvas, it's almost as if Jasper Jacks and his family never existed.  Which is fine by me, lol!

Edited May 8, 20241 yr by Khan

6 minutes ago, Khan said:

Gina Tognoni's like Candyman: say her name five times on a message board, she's bound to appear again somewhere.

I thought that was Bloody Mary!!! 

20 minutes ago, John said:

So Dex is not Stone

And never was, and never could've been! Y'all need to stop trying to magically make any unattached young person any random person's kid. Was the Dev idiocy not enough?

1 minute ago, Vee said:

And never was, and never could've been! Y'all need to stop trying to magically make any unattached young person any random person's kid. Was the Dev idiocy not enough?

well with Soras one never knows on soaps

Why did people think Dex would turn out to be Stone?  Did they think Stone's autism could magically cure itself?

Edited May 8, 20241 yr by Khan

The likelihood of Dex being Stone was so wildly slim anyhow.  

I am pretty sure Lois/Jagger had some scenes with ASJ and Cari Shayne briefly returned when Stone was diagnosed.  I don't have actual proof at this moment but I do remember them talking at Kelly's in my mind.

 

14 minutes ago, Khan said:

Gina Tognoni's like Candyman: say her name five times on a message board, she's bound to appear again somewhere.

If not for the fact that his daughter remains on the canvas, it's almost as if Jasper Jacks and his family never existed.  Which is fine by me, lol!

The show tries really, really hard to avoid any mention of Jax lol.  Even if Joss or someone else is talking about him they don't even use his name.  Oh well!