At this point I am like 99 percent sure Sheila is in bad condition caged in some dungeon by Sugar's accomplice who is panicking and doesn't know what to do. Finn and Deacon will save her and Steffy will have to face the very much alive SHEILA. If it was done with a quality writing, I would love this type of film noir 1950s type of storyline. But it's done like a cartoon animation.

At least I hope this opens the door to Lauren vs Sheila clash fans have been waiting for decades. 

Deacon Googled "Who is Sugar?"

Are you kidding me with this??? Just how STUPID is Deacon supposed to be?

3 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

Deacon Googled "Who is Sugar?"

Are you kidding me with this??? Just how STUPID is Deacon supposed to be?

I can't! 

This is going to turn into my favorite storyline ever. It's sooo bad. 

3 minutes ago, Althea Davis said:

I can't! 

This is going to turn into my favorite storyline ever. It's sooo bad. 

LOL It is. It's worth watching only as a comedy.

Also, while people are losing their sh_it over JH's acting as RJ, Luna has been wearing the same pouty crying face for an entire WEEK.

45 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

Deacon Googled "Who is Sugar?"

You're kidding right??  I can't...

 

Just now, Jeff said:

You're kidding right??  I can't...

 

This is turning into must see tv. It's soooo stupid, it's like performance art.

38 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

LOL It is. It's worth watching only as a comedy.

Also, while people are losing their sh_it over JH's acting as RJ, Luna has been wearing the same pouty crying face for an entire WEEK.

I mean she was raped though.. nothing to smile about 

Just now, Althea Davis said:

This is turning into must see tv. It's soooo stupid, it's like performance art.

Yes must see...And not in a good way!

Just now, AMCOLTLLover said:

I mean she was raped though.. nothing to smile about 

I think he meant about the Sheila toes storyline. The rape storyline is of course NOTHING to smile or joke about. It's a reason to boycott the show. 

9 minutes ago, AMCOLTLLover said:

I mean she was raped though.. nothing to smile about 

I really don't want to go down this road again because we've covered it before. However, so many on this board insist on calling this a rape that I have to again voice opposition to that.

Yes, the story is horribly written. It is awful in every respect, and I can understand why people talk about consent, etc. However, I do not think it's fair to call this a rape without examining every step and every fact. I don't think any justice system would convict Zende of rape.

Luna put herself in Zende's bed. She was impaired BUT HE DID NOT KNOW THAT. We have to assume that he was also drinking. She willingly agreed to have sex. Did she know it was Zende? No, but that is irrelevant. ZENDE thought she was saying yes to him. She NEVER said no or tried to stop him.

When "Zende raped Luna" is mentioned on this board, someone who hadn't watched those scenes would think there was sexual assault. That is not what I saw and that is not what happened.

I  have nothing good to say about the writing on BOLD. Nothing. Bradley Bell is scum for writing those scenes and that scenario. Was anything about that story realistic? No. But it also wasn't rape.

I am beyond sympathetic to any victim of sexual assault/sexual violence, but to me it's beyond overboard to call this a rape. I don't think that word should be thrown around like that.

I don't expect to get any support here for my take, because this board seems to have passed judgment and then some. I'm sorry for opening this up again, but with the total mess this story is, I do not understand wanting to convict someone of rape and calling him a rapist.

 

Am I alone in the feeling that this 2024 the show feels lost... Like I don't really feel a sense of going somewhere. It's like I'm watching something that will not be even remembered five years from now. Like a complete dead period.

Is this all Bradley has to offer - stories about mints and toes? 

20 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

I really don't want to go down this road again because we've covered it before. However, so many on this board insist on calling this a rape that I have to again voice opposition to that.

Yes, the story is horribly written. It is awful in every respect, and I can understand why people talk about consent, etc. However, I do not think it's fair to call this a rape without examining every step and every fact. I don't think any justice system would convict Zende of rape.

Luna put herself in Zende's bed. She was impaired BUT HE DID NOT KNOW THAT. We have to assume that he was also drinking. She willingly agreed to have sex. Did she know it was Zende? No, but that is irrelevant. ZENDE thought she was saying yes to him. She NEVER said no or tried to stop him.

When "Zende raped Luna" is mentioned on this board, someone who hadn't watched those scenes would think there was sexual assault. That is not what I saw and that is not what happened.

I  have nothing good to say about the writing on BOLD. Nothing. Bradley Bell is scum for writing those scenes and that scenario. Was anything about that story realistic? No. But it also wasn't rape.

I am beyond sympathetic to any victim of sexual assault/sexual violence, but to me it's beyond overboard to call this a rape. I don't think that word should be thrown around like that.

I don't expect to get any support here for my take, because this board seems to have passed judgment and then some. I'm sorry for opening this up again, but with the total mess this story is, I do not understand wanting to convict someone of rape and calling him a rapist.

 

Fair enough.. But as I know Bold and the beautiful they won’t call it rape either. But the way Zende behaved weeks ago gave me the impression that he knew what he was doing. Using a intoxicated girl. Yes she said yes etc. 

But the way he even said to RJ to forgive her makes me think they don’t go the rape route either lol I haven’t read any spoilers yet.

To be fair Luna always looked like she is about to cry since she joined the show 

16 minutes ago, Althea Davis said:

Am I alone in the feeling that this 2024 the show feels lost... Like I don't really feel a sense of going somewhere. It's like I'm watching something that will not be even remembered five years from now. Like a complete dead period.

Is this all Bradley has to offer - stories about mints and toes? 

I feel you. Hell even Wyatt‘s exit was so boring. He left and didn’t even really said bye to his brother and father and just had a scene with Luna/RJ and heading off. 
 

addiction itself is always a great topic to cover on soaps but Bold and the beautiful‘s acting has been so dreadful for a while. RJ I can get behind and Luna. But Zende is always speaking his lines so weirdly and don’t get me started on Poppy lol 

44 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

I really don't want to go down this road again because we've covered it before. However, so many on this board insist on calling this a rape that I have to again voice opposition to that.

Yes, the story is horribly written. It is awful in every respect, and I can understand why people talk about consent, etc. However, I do not think it's fair to call this a rape without examining every step and every fact. I don't think any justice system would convict Zende of rape.

Luna put herself in Zende's bed. She was impaired BUT HE DID NOT KNOW THAT. We have to assume that he was also drinking. She willingly agreed to have sex. Did she know it was Zende? No, but that is irrelevant. ZENDE thought she was saying yes to him. She NEVER said no or tried to stop him.

When "Zende raped Luna" is mentioned on this board, someone who hadn't watched those scenes would think there was sexual assault. That is not what I saw and that is not what happened.

I  have nothing good to say about the writing on BOLD. Nothing. Bradley Bell is scum for writing those scenes and that scenario. Was anything about that story realistic? No. But it also wasn't rape.

I am beyond sympathetic to any victim of sexual assault/sexual violence, but to me it's beyond overboard to call this a rape. I don't think that word should be thrown around like that.

I don't expect to get any support here for my take, because this board seems to have passed judgment and then some. I'm sorry for opening this up again, but with the total mess this story is, I do not understand wanting to convict someone of rape and calling him a rapist.

 

 

Without wanting to argue, you all know my POV, when someone ends up in your bed the way Luna did... It's not a normal reaction to just... Sorry for the more direct language - sexually penetrate them.

The normal reaction of a non rapist is to say Hey, what is going on. Why are you here in this bed and are you sure you want to be here? That's like a bare minimum. And the conversation Has to be even longer and more direct. 

Maybe... Like... Make sure the person that you are about to sleep in the same bed with is coherent and knows where they are. At least.

Zende not knowing or caring to know what state Luna was in is not an excuse but even more big reason to call him a rapist.

This is an incredibly stupid and irresponsible thing to do to a woman or a girl.

Just because someone is lying in your bed smiling, doesn't give you the heads up to put your pee pee in.

Consent is something a real man, non rapist, non monster will Always validate with the partner and with himself.

Him drinking again is not an excuse - he is a man... He should know himself better to not initiate sex if he knows his drinking can impair judgement.

I am sorry. That's my two cents and I don't think it's too much to call this a rape.

It's 2024 and people have been jailed and are serving time for situations like this. 

I don't want to argue. But as a rape victim I won't Not say my opinion.

Edited April 18, 20241 yr by Althea Davis

49 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

I really don't want to go down this road again because we've covered it before. However, so many on this board insist on calling this a rape that I have to again voice opposition to that. ... 

 

This reminds me of that shaggy dog story about people in a bar, regulars, who had all told & heard the same jokes over & over so they assigned them numbers. Applied here, it would be to storylines not jokes. At this point someone would call out "Number 47!" and everyone would recall mentally what everyone's stance was on this storyline. 

38 minutes ago, Althea Davis said:

The normal reaction of a non rapist is to say Hey, what is going on. Why are you here in this bed and are you sure you want to be here? That's like a bare minimum. And the conversation Has to be even longer and more direct. 

Maybe... Like... Make sure the person that you are about to sleep in the same bed with is coherent and knows where they are. At least.

 

Especially when that person had already rejected you multiple times, including earlier that night!

 

Well, it looks like RJ IS going with just being mad at Zende because he slept with his girl... what was the line today "you knew who you did that to" and he meant himself, not Luna!