How Core Families Die

[Contessa Donatella]

Oh, thnx for correcting that then. I misunderstood & thought it was a jointly done piece. Appreciate the 411. I still recommend it as an important read!

Thank you for the correction. I mistook that.

[Paul Raven]

That AWHP article debunks some myths about the creation of AW but ironically at the end states

Fred Silverman, now ABC's president, hired Gloria Monty and gave her 13 weeks to turn things around or he would cancel GH. Monty came on board, hired Anthony Geary as Luke Spencer, and paired him with Genie Francis's Laura.

Reading that you would think that Luke arrived  in that 13 week period in early 78 and caused a rise in the ratings, when in fact it was Scotty/Laura and other stories that revived GH. Luke didn't arrive until 79.

Edited July 1, 2022 by Paul Raven

[wonderwoman1951]

true enough,  but the point was that the fact that aw trouncing gh in the ratings was what they call in film ‘the inciting event.’  

Edited July 1, 2022 by wonderwoman1951

[SteelCity]

Unpopular Opinion: I don't like when soaps become too family oriented. It just becomes very incestuous at times. That's why I love characters like Nicole. She can be a romantic wildcard because she's not related to everyone. I remember around 2005 the Brady's were dating in to he family, solely based on the fact that there were no characters in that group to mix it up with.

[j swift]

That's certainly been a creative road block at Y&R

[DramatistDreamer]

The Bold and the Beautiful built their series on their two families and dug into this concept until recently. These incestuous connections were among the main reasons why I could never fully get into that show. It was so extreme.

[SteelCity]

Exactly, they also have the issue that a lot of keeping all the Black characters in one bubble. It limits them, when they just play Winters Roulette.

Bold and the Beautiful is one of the WORST when it comes to this.

Edited July 1, 2022 by SteelCity

[Contessa Donatella]

Nicole who? What Bradys? What show?

Whoa, that is seriously screwed up. You're right. The first thing that happened is that Monty threw out a whole week of tape & started up one week back in time. Doug Marland's writing was what was the first saving element. Monty inserted story references into the show from B movie classics. She picked up the pace & made changes in editing, etc. The Ice Princess (sf/f) & L&L on the run both came later.

[DramatistDreamer]

Nathan, Olivia, Neil, Dru and Malcolm were the last generation to really mix things up freely with the other characters outside of their group dynamic. Before that, while you didn’t have very many Black characters, those who were on the canvas like Amy Lewis and her father Detective Frank Lewis, who mainly interacted with the Williams and Abbott families, Nathan and Phil Morris, who wasn’t given the best of storylines.

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 But I think after Victoria  Rowell, Tonya Lee Williams and Shemar Moore left, there was little to no effort to have the Winters really having storylines that branched out of their bubble. Even with Lily, other than romantic relationships there seemed to be minimal engagement in storylines outside of the Winters bubble. 

[SteelCity]

I guess that was vague. I was referring to DAYS.

[Contessa Donatella]

I thought maybe those Bradys but AW had Nicole Love so i just thought better to ask. Currently I wish Nicole were getting back with Eric. And, Salem is certainly populated with people who are related to each other! Of course, in the last several years of GL the second most popular couple, "JAmmy," were cousins so they were also a highly controversial couple.

[Dion]

Luke actually arrived in November 1978 but other than that your point still stands. He arrived nearly a year after Monty and didn't become a lead until the fall of 79.

[Paul Raven]

Thanks for the correction. Don't want to be guilty of the very thing I am objecting to !

[wonderwoman1951]

be that as it may, the point being made is that what led to gloria monty, luke, laura, scotty was the fact that ‘general hospital’ was losing its time — badly, 8.6 vs 7— to ‘another world.’

Edited July 8, 2022 by wonderwoman1951
correct usage matters.

[Contessa Donatella]

Should we have a Grudge Match between Pete Lemay and Gloria Monty?