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54 minutes ago, will81 said:

It can't really have gone much further. Phillip has to find out Jill is pregnant soon because he dies mid July from what I understand. From the Aug 22, 1975 episode online, the court case to contest the divorce is already over and the ruling is due "the next day".

Phillip dies in June according to the synopses. 
 Thanks for all the details about the Liz Foster / Bruce Henderson connection. It always sounded weird to me. Glad someone confirmed it.

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32 minutes ago, FrenchFan said:

Phillip dies in June according to the synopses. 
 Thanks for all the details about the Liz Foster / Bruce Henderson connection. It always sounded weird to me. Glad someone confirmed it.

Thanks for the confirmation on Phillip's death. Have been wondering for ages when it actually happened.

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I wonder how much real life eg actors choosing to leave affected Bill's story plans. He may have another scenario planned for Phillip or maybe not.

Donnelly/Phillip wasn't even on 2 years so unless he signed a short term contract it looks like Bill's decision to kill him off.

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16 hours ago, will81 said:

Someone in this thread (sorry I can't find the post) suggested that maybe Kay was to be killed off. So I wonder if Bell initially planned for it to be a Lorie/Phillip/Jill and maybe Brock quad.

 

However I just found someone selling a cast photo and letter from Columbia Television. They had written to the show as a teen about Phillip being killed off and the response they got was that Phillip's death had been planned well in advance. So maybe Lorie just had no real story and Bell wanted to utilise JLB somehow. 

 

Liz's last name is still Foster because she was still married to Bill Foster. The Henderson's were not really on that much it seems. Maybe Bruce and Ma Henderson (Bruce and Liz's mother) turned up when Liz had her cancer scare. Not sure to be honest. In the autumn of 1973, Leslie goes on tour for the first time with a symphony and Jennifer goes with her, which is presumably when she reunites with Bruce. Was this his introduction? or had he been there earlier? Not sure.

 

Mark was there from around late 74 or early 75 and Regina seems to have only been around for a few months at most in 1975. She is never mentioned once Soap Digest begin their synopsis from October 1975. Mark's big story was being half brother to Lorie but the pair had no idea and almost married. Bell really liked his incest stories.

 

I remember reading a soap mag with an interview with Trish Stewart who thought it odd that the Brooks girls were so close to Stuart and went to him with all their issues, as she stated she was much closer to her mother and figured most women would confide in their mother's about their lives. I do like that Peggy is affected by what is going on, many soaps ignore this with younger kids, who see and hear a lot, but rarely act out. Another reason I liked Heather Thom's Victoria. It made sense she was the way she was when she returned. In terms of John, I always felt he saw Ashley as an equal, loved her head strong attitude and no nonsense approach, especially with Jack. Traci was so fragile that I think John always saw her as his little girl, but he seemed so proud when she returned from Stamford and took more control of her life, and told Jack to butt out of her life, haha

So i wonder what happened last for the Henderson's? Doesn't seem like they we're ever brought up after leaving for good, we never heard Liz talking about them or Lorie i guess but then again i didn't see any episodes after so who knows.

 

Doesn't lance come on board soon or is that in December of 75, i always thought it was abit earlier then that 

10 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

I wonder how much real life eg actors choosing to leave affected Bill's story plans. He may have another scenario planned for Phillip or maybe not.

Donnelly/Phillip wasn't even on 2 years so unless he signed a short term contract it looks like Bill's decision to kill him off.

that's true the phillip chara her wasn't on very long because i assume he started appearing when Katherine did and we all know that's late 73 and then he passed in 75.

 

I wonder who else jill had interactions with, it seems like she just got intertwined with the chancellor story and that is history for her lol.

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15 hours ago, will81 said:

Yeah Peggy doesn't really get story until Jack Curtis turns up in late 75. Her major story was the marriage to Jack in 1976 and the rape story with Ron Becker (though that was mostly Chris' story) Pam Peters left the show around Sep 77, just as Jennifer passes away and she didn't return until 1980. Though Pat Everly played the character briefly in 1979.

Yes i cant wait until we get to Peggy rape story cause i know for us to see it now would have soo much layers that we all could have missed, was the rape story and jack curtis/joann/Katherine stuff all the same time period?

 

If im correct was it chris who was raped in 73 or 74 and did her rape have anything to do with Peggy rape later?

 

Was Stuart more like john abbot in his days, i kind of get the feeling that bill sort of kept the same type of older men patriarch.

 

 

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On 5/20/2020 at 2:10 AM, Legacy said:

Yes i cant wait until we get to Peggy rape story cause i know for us to see it now would have soo much layers that we all could have missed, was the rape story and jack curtis/joann/Katherine stuff all the same time period?

 

If im correct was it chris who was raped in 73 or 74 and did her rape have anything to do with Peggy rape later?

 

Was Stuart more like john abbot in his days, i kind of get the feeling that bill sort of kept the same type of older men patriarch.

 

 

Chris was involved with the Peggy's rape due to her involvement with Peggy's rapist Ron Becker and his family.

 

Stuart and John both got involved with Jill so that says something. To me they were both kind of uptight guys who supposedly were strong but really quite ineffectual.

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On 5/18/2020 at 5:47 PM, will81 said:

Someone in this thread (sorry I can't find the post) suggested that maybe Kay was to be killed off. So I wonder if Bell initially planned for it to be a Lorie/Phillip/Jill and maybe Brock quad.

 

However I just found someone selling a cast photo and letter from Columbia Television. They had written to the show as a teen about Phillip being killed off and the response they got was that Phillip's death had been planned well in advance. So maybe Lorie just had no real story and Bell wanted to utilise JLB somehow. 

 

 

 

That was me who suggested that perhaps Bill Bell's original intention was to kill-off Kay Chancellor, and have Phillip become involved in a triangle with Jill and Lorie.   But that's only an assumption on my part.  The reason I assumed it is that Bell went to the trouble of firing one actor (Jon Considine) and hiring another (Donnelly Rhodes) to get the "right" Phillip, as though Phillip was the "important" character in the storyline.  Jeanne Cooper said in an interview that she was "only supposed to be around for a couple of years".  From that, I drew the conclusion that when he wrote down the story projection, Bill Bell might've intended to dispose of Kay pretty quickly and keep Phillip.  But by the time the whole thing started hitting the screen in late 1973 and early 1974, it was pretty clear that the Kay character, with her smoking and drinking and self-pity, was the character that the audience genuinely responded to, felt sorry for, and often hated. 

 

As for the Henderson family, I believe there were supposed to be TWO boys in the family --- Mark and Russell.   Some daytime magazine had an article about how Y&R was casting the roles of "Mark and Russell Henderson, the sons of Bruce and Regina Henderson".  I don't believe Russell ever made it onto the screen.   As the process moved along, Bell evidently decided that he'd rather concentrate more on Jill, Brock, Phillip and Kay, and less on the Henderson family.      

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2 minutes ago, Broderick said:

 

That was me who suggested that perhaps Bill Bell's original intention was to kill-off Kay Chancellor, and have Phillip become involved in a triangle with Jill and Lorie.   But that's only an assumption on my part.  The reason I assumed it is that Bell went to the trouble of firing one actor (Jon Considine) and hiring another (Donnelly Rhodes) to get the "right" Phillip, as though Phillip was the "important" character in the storyline.  Jeanne Cooper said in an interview that she was "only supposed to be around for a couple of years".  From that, I drew the conclusion that when he wrote down the story projection, Bill Bell might've intended to dispose of Kay pretty quickly and keep Phillip.  But by the time the whole thing started hitting the screen in late 1973 and early 1974, it was pretty clear that the Kay character, with her smoking and drinking and self-pity, was the character that the audience genuinely responded to, felt sorry for, and often hated. 

 

As for the Henderson family, I believe there were supposed to be TWO boys in the family --- Mark and Russell.   Some daytime magazine had an article about how Y&R was casting the roles of "Mark and Russell Henderson, the sons of Bruce and Regina Henderson".  I don't believe Russell ever made it onto the screen.   As the process moved along, Bell evidently decided that he'd rather concentrate more on Jill, Brock, Phillip and Kay, and less on the Henderson family.      

I suspect you are probably right about that.

 

Jon-Michael Reed did report Jeanne was apparently due to be axed when Kay jumped over board from a cruise ship in September 1980. But fan response to her character changed minds about it. Jeanne also reported in a 1981 interview that after Derek and Douglas were shipped off, she spent 6 weeks off screen. 

 

Yes I just saw an article that mentioned Mark and Russell. I also found the below article from the Los Angeles Times May 2, 1973, which seems to confirm Bruce's arrival most likely happened in May/Jun when Liz may have had her cancer scare. I assume the Jennifer/Bruce connection began on the show here too. As Bryna Laub has synopsis in early 74 that states Bruce hopes Jennifer can stay in Chicago longer as she did last summer. I suspect also that Jennifer and Bruce met up in the Autumn/Fall of 73 too when Leslie was on tour. 

 

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1 hour ago, Broderick said:

 

 

As for the Henderson family, I believe there were supposed to be TWO boys in the family --- Mark and Russell.   Some daytime magazine had an article about how Y&R was casting the roles of "Mark and Russell Henderson, the sons of Bruce and Regina Henderson".  I don't believe Russell ever made it onto the screen.   As the process moved along, Bell evidently decided that he'd rather concentrate more on Jill, Brock, Phillip and Kay, and less on the Henderson family.      

 

That's interesting they would have named him Russell as that is the name of one Lee Phillip Bell's brothers. 

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1 hour ago, will81 said:

Jon-Michael Reed did report Jeanne was apparently due to be axed when Kay jumped over board from a cruise ship in September 1980. But fan response to her character changed minds about it. Jeanne also reported in a 1981 interview that after Derek and Douglas were shipped off, she spent 6 weeks off screen. 

Wonder if either of these timeframes matches up with JC heading to rehab... in her memoir, she doesn’t say exactly when she went.

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16 minutes ago, yrfan1983 said:

Wonder if either of these timeframes matches up with JC heading to rehab... in her memoir, she doesn’t say exactly when she went.

 

I can remember THREE mysterious hiatuses that Jeanne Cooper had from the show during the early to mid 1980s.   The first one is the one described above --- immediately after the conclusion of the Felipe Ramariez storyline, which had begun in the autumn of 1980.   Her absence occurred something like April - June of 1981.   She came back from her "island adventure" with Felipe, checked with Victor Newman to make sure Chancellor Industries was running smoothly, ditched Douglas, ditched Derek, then just disappeared from the canvas for what seemed like MONTHS, though maybe it was only six weeks.   Then one day in the summertime, an episode of the show randomly opened with Kay Chancellor staring in the living room mirror at the lines in her face, talking aloud to herself about her drinking and smoking, her hatred of Jill, the death of Gary Reynolds, the death of Phillip Chancellor, and her divorce from Derek Thurston.   She decided life would be simpler if she simply "hired" a boyfriend.  So she contacted Jerry Cashman, he came by and "serviced" her, she gave him a check, and they ultimately began a relationship.   I remember that scene so vividly --- the one in front of the mirror in about June of 1981 --- because she'd been missing in action for so long with no real explanation, and then she reappeared in a brand new storyline without a word about where she'd been.  (I never knew if Jeanne Cooper had been in rehab, or if she'd simply taken a long vacation.)

 

The second hiatus occurred a few months later, in the late summer of that same year (1981).  Kay's storyline with Cash was in full swing.   He was "servicing" Kay, she was paying him, but she was developing feelings for him.   Meanwhile,  Leslie Brooks was supposed to play in a concert in London for the royal wedding of Prince Charles & Diana.  It was established that Leslie would be going, Lorie would be going, the Fake Lance would be going, and Stuart and Liz Brooks would be going.  The only problem was that Liz didn't know what to wear.  She didn't know which dress would be appropriate.  Some famous designer was at the Brooks house -- seems like it was "Mister Blackwell" --- and he was showing Liz all these designer gowns, which had Liz bewildered and flustered, because she wasn't accustomed to fancy clothes.  So she called Kay and asked Kay to come help her choose a dress.  Mrs. Chancellor swept in and selected the dress.  Lorie and Leslie began shrieking that Kay should go to London too.  Kay had an invitation from the Queen or something and had about decided not to go, but since the Brooks family asked her to go, she decided she would --- provided Cash would go with her.   Which turned out to be a big ordeal because she just "summoned" Cash to accompany her --- instead of asking him nicely --- which wounded his pride.  I couldn't quite figure that out, since he was a prostitute after all, and they're not known for having much pride.  But anyway, Kay and Cash went to London to see Leslie's concert.   After the concert was over, when it was time to return to Genoa City, Kay broke the news to Cash that he would be returning ALONE, because she'd made the decision to meet with a plastic surgeon in Zurich, Switzerland about possibly getting a facelift.  This all just came out of nowhere (the revelation that she wanted a facelift to look younger for Cash's benefit).  He told her it wasn't necessary to meet with the plastic surgeon, but she insisted that she had an appointment and intended to keep it.   So Cash went home to Nikki and the Bayou all alone, and we didn't see Kay Chancellor for weeks.  Finally one day later in the fall, Kay came sweeping back in --- with no further mention at all of the plastic surgeon --- and the story evolved into Kay making Liz go with her to the strip club to watch Cash dance (which embarrassed Liz to death), then it turned out Cash owed a guy named Smiley some money for a gambling debt, and Kay gave Smiley her fur coat and some diamonds then called the police and reported them stolen, and Smiley and his friends stabbed Cash, and suddenly Nikki and Kay were grief-stricken best friends when Cash died.  (I never had a CLUE why Jeanne Cooper had disappeared for several weeks in the mysterious "Zurich face lift" storyline.  Maybe that was another quick trip to rehab; maybe it was another vacation; or maybe she was really considering having a facelift, as three years later, she finally did do it, and on the air at that.) 

 

Her third disappearance was in the summertime of either 1985 or 1986.   "Due to illness, the role of Kay Chancellor is now being played by Giselle Mackenzie", the announcer said solemnly at the beginning of an episode during the Phillip Chancellor III storyline.   That went on for several episodes.  Giselle subbed for Jeanne Cooper and said all of Kay Chancellor's lines, but she said the lines softly and sweetly, and it didn't seem anything at all like Kay.    Then suddenly Giselle announced to Brock and Esther that she needed to leave town for a while, packed her bags, left immediately, and they just shrugged and said, "Bye, Duchess.  Bye, Mrs. C."  And then a few weeks later, she swept back in, this time as Jeanne Cooper.  (Never had a clue what happened there, but I expect she was either VERY SICK, or else that was a trip to rehab.)           

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