Now they are saying that Diddy stepson wasn't offered a role. He just don't want him to do the show.

Hakeem might be a young fool but he didn't deserve to be punched by Jamal because he didn't do what he was accused of.

No. That's not what's being said. NO one claimed Hakeem deserves this. What the Jamal haters are saying, however, is that Jamal is horrible and nasty and the worst person in the world for punching Hakeem when he thought Hakeem sent three thugs to rob him, ending up with one of his friends getting shot. I mean, how dare he?

Edited February 5, 201510 yr by YRBB

I'm new to the board but I've lurked for sometime. I've been looking for a place to converse about the show. It seems that the show is doing so well which pleases. Even Michelle Obama is a fan. http://michronicleonline.com/2015/02/05/everyones-watching-empire-these-days-even-michelle-obama/

Welcome, Particular! We don't always agree but the conversations are always fascinating-- it keeps me coming back.

I wonder if Michelle Obama fantasizes about being like Cookie and taking that broom handle to John Boehner?

Okay, the actual show...

About Jamal punching Hakeem. People have to remember that in Lee Daniels' films no one comes out looking particularly good so I think we should expect Jamal to, at the very least, make dumb decisions and poor judgements based from pride and machismo. I can deal with that. Having seen several of Daniels' films, I'm glad that this is the extent of things-- hopefully Jamal won't get worse.

And let's face it...someone eventually would've punched Hakeem. I thought it might have ended up being Camilla, or maybe she'd bonk him in the face with a smartphone.

Even though I thought Annika's Daddy is a tad generic, I think her Mother is beautiful! I think they may have been going for a young Cicely Tyson type, not a bad model to follow. I'm glad that they didn't go with big celeb actors for those roles, give some other actors a chance to build their resume.

Interesting that Lucious doesn't have a problem with Tiana having a gf but has a big problem with Jamal's love life.

I still maintain that Portia is a savant. Perhaps a bit of an (idiot) savant but a savant, nonetheless.

That 'Black Like Me' scene in the cab was so funny and such a breath of fresh air.

Bad Cookie ordering that hit on a hunch! When I saw the rose at the doorstep, I wondered immediately if it could've been Lucious trying to woo Cookie. I guess the thought never crossed her mind?

I can see what people are saying about the pacing but I guess they had to put out the strongest collection of episodes possible and couldn't risk any storyline dragging. I guess it's better to make people's head spin than risk making them nod off.

Edited February 5, 201510 yr by DramatistDreamer

No. That's not what's being said. NO one claimed Hakeem deserves this. What the Jamal haters are saying, however, is that Jamal is horrible and nasty and the worst person in the world for punching Hakeem when he thought Hakeem sent three thugs to rob him, ending up with one of his friends getting shot. I mean, how dare he?

Seriously tho,

No. That's not what's being said. NO one claimed Hakeem deserves this. What the Jamal haters are saying, however, is that Jamal is horrible and nasty and the worst person in the world for punching Hakeem when he thought Hakeem sent three thugs to rob him, ending up with one of his friends getting shot. I mean, how dare he?

This.

And ajsp ... Jamal doesn't KNOW Hakeem didn't send them. He reacted the way he reacted because he thought his brother was guilty. Overreaction? Maybe, but Jamal has every reason right now to believe it was Hakeem.

Edited February 5, 201510 yr by KMan101

Seriously tho,

Really tho,

This.

And ajsp ... Jamal doesn't KNOW Hakeem didn't send them. He reacted the way he reacted because he thought his brother was guilty. Overreaction? Maybe, but Jamal has every reason right now to believe it was Hakeem.

+1

A "little" fact that is conveniently overlooked

Edited February 5, 201510 yr by YRBB

Loved the episodes. The big character developments that stood out to me was Andree and kitty.

Andre will scheme to get what he wants but at the end of the day, he LOVES his brothers. It was there when he immediately asked whether something was wrong with Hakeem when he called so late. And it was there when he seemed frantic asking whether Jamal was okay and as he lay in bed looking regretful.

Kitty. My poor Boo Boo Kitty. Apparently Lucious has treated Kitty bad in the past. And I think he will agagain because he wants Cookie. I'm not sure he realizes how much just yet but I think he will soon. Kitty's mother was prophetic with the "You'll see". She will be right. A mother is always right. LOL

I figured it was Lucious that left the rose on Cookie's doorstep. Showing up late at night talking about their anniversary.

I know some think that Lucious proposed to Anika for business. But I didn't get that. He proposed BEFORE he knew he needed her father's help, didn't he? And daddy is a bit of a gold digger. Why does it matters if Anika knows he lied for Lucious or not? But I bet debutante mother is going to stroke out when that news come out. She ain't their for being poor and ostracized. I can tell that right now.

I also felt bad for Hakeem. He didn't do anything to deserve being punched. Jamal seems to want to believe the worst in his brother. That saddens me. it broke my heart to see them fighting. But I feed off the drama so I will deal.

Cookie getting a man assassinated. Somehow, I don't feel bad for the guy since he has killed countless others. The life caught up with him. meh.

Loved the episodes. The big character developments that stood out to me was Andree and kitty.

Edited February 6, 201510 yr by ajsp35801

I thought it might have ended up being Camilla, or maybe she'd bonk him in the face with a smartphone.

Interesting that Lucious doesn't have a problem with Tiana having a gf but has a big problem with Jamal's love life.

Interesting, indeed.

When I saw the rose at the doorstep, I wondered immediately if it could've been Lucious trying to woo Cookie. I guess the thought never crossed her mind?

In all honesty, the way they set it up with the roses on the drugs & then the rose on the door, they made it pretty convincing. You could at least believe she panicked and it didn't occur to her, without making her look dumb. And I love how they had Lucious mention the anniversary early in the episode, and then BOOM! You realize what that was all about.

LMAO!

I also felt bad for Hakeem. He didn't do anything to deserve being punched. Jamal seems to want to believe the worst in his brother. That saddens me. it broke my heart to see them fighting. But I feed off the drama so I will deal.

That's what I'm saying. & people are excusing Jamal behavior by saying that he don't know Hakeem really did not do it

But Hakeem is telling him he didn't do it. Jamal doesn't have faith in the bond that he shares with Hakeem.

Edited February 6, 201510 yr by MoTheGreat

That's what I'm saying. & people are excusing Jamal behavior by saying that he don't know Hakeem really did not fo it

But Hakeem is telling him he didn't do it. Jamal doesn't have faith in the bond that he shares with Hakeem.

Once Hakeem told Jamal he didn't do it, that should have been enough. Certainly a pacing problem here. But I so want Lucious to throw Jamal's ass back in the trash can!

I hope next season they move a little slower.

I hope next season they have an entire new family on the show for the Lyons to have a bitter rivalry with.

So I guess our first real fan war in this thread is the pro-Jamals vs. the anti-Jamals.

Time to come up with fanbase names. How about ProJams vs NoJams?

I hope next season they have an entire new family on the show for the Lyons to have a bitter rivalry with.

That's inevitable and I can't wait.

Edited February 6, 201510 yr by marceline