Mew with a liquid u like pew, not mew=moo like cow, btw.

I find it impossible to believe that MM's bullying suddenly started under JFP. In real life, no one undergoes a personality switch, that only happens on a soap. From all the rumors, MM is exactly the same person that he was VM where he got fired for his bad behavior. MM had to be the same way under MAB. As the saying goes, "whereever you go, you take yourself with you."

Award for most sensible post...I get the feeling that MM thought he was untouchable because he was "the star of the show." As you say, he didn't change overnight. If he did things to be fired now, he did it when MAB was in charge. But no one reported it. He finally touched and harassed the wrong person. There are plenty people in this world that if given the power (whether real or imagined) over someone will abuse it. MM is just one of those...

Award for most sensible post...I get the feeling that MM thought he was untouchable because he was "the star of the show." As you say, he didn't change overnight. If he did things to be fired now, he did it when MAB was in charge. But no one reported it. He finally touched and harassed the wrong person. There are plenty people in this world that if given the power (whether real or imagined) over someone will abuse it. MM is just one of those...

That' may or may not be the case. But if it is you can't blame MAB if it wasn't reported. She can't fire him for something she didn't know was going on.

Lord..

I'm sorry but I highly doubt people remember HK because she vacationed with another celebrity. People have probably forgotten about that by now.

I know plenty of people who don't watch soaps but recognize EB and KSJ especially. You might be right about PB being popular mainly in the soap world.

You underestimate teens/Tweens social scene. I am sure most adults don't care, but you best believe that there are not many kids in this country and abroad who don't know Selena Gomez, who dated justin bieber for the longest, AND her friends. I agree with the person who says popularity is debatable.

I don't think it's fair to say that he *MUST* have been bullying/groping people at Y&R before this incident because "once a bully/groper, always a bully/groper". People who exhibit this type of behaviour are crafty and opportunistic, they will only do what they think they can get away with, or more specifically, with who they think they can get away with doing it to. The urge may be pathological, but the action is not necessarily so.

You underestimate teens/Tweens social scene. I am sure most adults don't care, but you best believe that there are not many kids in this country and abroad who don't know Selena Gomez, who dated justin bieber for the longest, AND her friends. I agree with the person who says popularity is debatable.

I don't doubt that a lot of tweens might know her...but A) the tweens are not the majority of the population and I would still be willing to bet the majority of the tweens don't know who she is. Tweens/teens are always on twitter and she doesn't even have that many followers compared to her other costars. If you look at any of the major tween/teen stars, they have huge social network following. HK hasn't achieved that yet.

But again it is debatable lol.

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That' may or may not be the case. But if it is you can't blame MAB if it wasn't reported. She can't fire him for something she didn't know was going on.

One can know something is happening but don't do anything because the victims don't report it. You can't force them to cooperate.

I didn't know HK before she took over for the other Summer.

I don't think it's fair to say that he *MUST* have been bullying/groping people at Y&R before this incident because "once a bully/groper, always a bully/groper". People who exhibit this type of behaviour are crafty and opportunistic, they will only do what they think they can get away with, or more specifically, with who they think they can get away with doing it to. The urge may be pathological, but the action is not necessarily so.

Thank you. ICAM. There may not have been anyone he could prey on prior to HK coming on.

One can know something is happening but don't do anything because the victims don't report it. You can't force them to cooperate.

But I think its unfair to assume she knew and then bash her for it when there is no evidence that she knew.

I don't doubt that a lot of tween might know her...but A) the tweens are not the majority of the population and I would still be willing to bet the majority of the tweens don't know who she is. Tweens/teens are always on twitter and she doesn't even have that many followers compared to her other costars. If you look at any of the major tween/teen stars, they have huge social network following. HK hasn't achieved that yet.

But again it is debatable lol.

Why does this even matter??

I don't doubt that a lot of tween might know her...but A) the tweens are not the majority of the population and I would still be willing to bet the majority of the tweens don't know who she is. Tweens/teens are always on twitter and she doesn't even have that many followers compared to her other costars. If you look at any of the major tween/teen stars, they have huge social network following. HK hasn't achieved that yet.

But again it is debatable lol.

Let's say no one knows her...why is that important or relevant to the story? What are we trying to prove? That she's a nobody so she should take it or been fired instead of the perpetrator. That she is a nobody and her career is over for doing what is right and defending herself? Why is it so important that this level of popularity be proven?

Let's say no one knows her...why is that important or relevant to the story? What are we trying to prove? That she's a nobody so she should take it or been fired instead of the perpetrator. That she is a nobody and her career is over for doing what is right and defending herself? Why is it so important that this level of popularity be proven?

Not trying to prove anything. I didn't bring up her popularity, I only responded to someone else who had. If you go back and re read my first post on the matter, my point was MM and HK are both relatively unknown.

Not trying to prove anything. I didn't bring up her popularity. If you go back and re read my first post on the matter, my point was MM and HK are both relatively unknown.

Why does this even matter??

Again ask the ones who brought it up.

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I don't think it's fair to say that he *MUST* have been bullying/groping people at Y&R before this incident because "once a bully/groper, always a bully/groper". People who exhibit this type of behaviour are crafty and opportunistic, they will only do what they think they can get away with, or more specifically, with who they think they can get away with doing it to. The urge may be pathological, but the action is not necessarily so.

This is very true. I just think that his arrogance was such that he thought he could get away with it because of his importance. If he felt that way then by your logic, she probably wasn't his only victim. He just got sloppy.