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EricMontreal22 Contributor

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Well that's not the best example--you do remember the reaction about how it was filmed or not filmed, more like it (I remember people talking about it and I was 13 lol) But I do agree with you that daytime has been lagging behind since the late 90s at least. (There are some milestones--OLTL's Billy Douglas was the first gay teen major character in any American series, by four years until My So-Called Life, 4 years later AMC dealt with the dangers of "ex-gay" reparation therapy in quite a lot of depth something a soap five years later prob wouldn't be able to touch and very few network tv shows have since, etc)

Here's the hilarious Melrose kiss http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcdxIaXOtZc

I agree. Look how OLTL--after the Kish sex scene, etc, something Frank and Ron should have been proud of, so isntantly backtracked (and yet the ratings FELL not climbed immediately after they cut the characters)--and acted all apologetic.

I think the soap fanbase belief is largely untrue. It's ironic, now that soaps agressively want a female 18-49 demo, they get even tamer--when every statistic shows that those generations take things like gay issues much more as no big deal (I mean Frons wanted AMC to become a daytime Sex and the City--and yet, as much as I was not a big fan, that show was filled with graphic sexual talk and a lot of gay references that were treated as no big deal, something the soap would have been terrified to do.) I also think a lot of the older soap fans are a lot less conservative than given credit (I know a lot of grandmas who watch soaps and love their gay grandsons who happen to bemy friends.) And as I've mentioned a lot of teen, 20something and 30 year old women find the gay love stories appealing and romantic--among female comic book readers in N America a recent study showed, gay love story comics (based on, or translations of the long popular Yaoi romance comics from Japan which are primarily written by women and read by women) have over only the past decade becomes the biggest selling genre. Of course many of these are horrible, weird, idealized or even rape fantasy comics (male/male rape is popular in the yaoi world for whatever reason) but some are very good. Iloved the UK QUeer as Folk and largely hated the US remake, but I did read that Showtime was surprised at how huge a female fanbase it had. By no means am I saying soaps should ditch straight romances as their main focus whenit comes to love stories--they shouldn't, but the execs should wake up and not be so scared that if they did a gay love story it would only appeal to a few gay men.

Agnes Nixon always said how if you tell a story *well*, issues like that usually won't matter and people will be compelled to watch. Sure she got angry letters about Carla kissing a white doctor--but for the most part that meant people were watching. I really do hope PP manages to (maybe not all at once or straight away, but over time) help change some of this, as I don't see the existing network soaps, as you say, improving int hat respect, frankly, ever as they slowly die off.

Agreed on both accounts.

Yeah I do--it wasn't all just fans wanting to see something that wasn't there. I'mnot saying they did this *much* but I'm sure they were aware when writing it...

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I don't think DAYS has treated Will/Sonny or Sonny/Brian differently from a straight couple. The shower scene with Will/Sonny, the extended kissing, Brian trying to undo Sonny's buckle. This idea that daytime is super cautious about gay portrayals is not borne out by my recent experience.

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For me it just seems, forced... I dunno--they certainly are doing it better than Luke and Noah though at least in terms of physical aspects.

ANyway thanks for confirming that I am not completely forgetting the end of OLTL and that Cutter did phone Alex from jail. An easy way to write him back into the show. (WOuldn't it be hard in court to prove that he slipped the drugs into the man's drink that kille dhim anyway?)

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I remember they blamed the actors, especially the one who played Kyle for the couple being axed, when it was clearly the writing and also with the homophobes threatening to boycott

I absolutely love Yaoi, they have very good love stories in there.. yeah you are seeing that gay fiction is highly popular.. many females I know who love it tell me how awesome it is. also they like seeing two guys make out

yeah there were several scenes where there were pretty strong hints that they wanted to tease a Shane/Jack love story.. I wonder if the actors were aware? I know the writers were very much aware of this

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