On Twitter, when confronted on the lack of a Head Writer and Executive Producer to build stories in the first place, Jamey responded that Broderick and Nixon "worked on story projections for the show." I don't dislike Jamey, but still I have to give that a big whatever. Barely anybody signed on cast-wise, and a writer that is not signed on to write the show worked on enough of a projection to cripple the show on one actors back? Eh.

ICAM, Angela, that response doesn't pass the smell test. Especially since Broderick has been writing for OLTL and Nixon was so focused on Lucci/PP mess.

I'm also not going to blame Prospect Park for unnamed sources blaming actors.

ICAM.

Yep for PP it's about Lucci. Their press release mentioned HER for that reason.

I stream OLTL and DOOL everyday from Hulu or NBC.com. It's not high def like your best samsung TV, but the commercials are fewer, and if you get lucky at NBC you can watch a 2 minute commercial for DOOL and then not a single interruption for the entire show. With 25 minutes of commercials, I don't think I could ever watch on TV anymore. FFing is ok but then it starts to get annoying when you overshoot and the DVR remote is slow to respond and you wind up at the next commercial break before it stops FFing.

Oh I hate fooling with that damn DVR FF/Rew. So how is it for you, do you have a set time where you sit down every evening? Are there days you don't feel like "tuning in" and you play catch up the next day? Do you watch in bed on your laptop or sit at a desk? Just curious. I'm wondering if I'll have the discipline for this.

Without a doubt that is one of the funniest things I've ever read. But I do think as I've said before that AMC needs to die. I just don't see how this can work. They need to wait and either remake a soap or produce an entirely new soap. They can reuse the sets from AMC and also the few actors who are interested. You can't launch a successful or credible AMC without Susan Lucci, Rebecca Budig, Alicia Minshew, Debbi Morgan, Jacob Young and probably Ricky Paull Goldin & Vincint Irrizary as well. I'm sure it was a case of them just getting too many "no's."

Had they launched AMC with a cast full of recasts/new characters fan would've complained. They tried, but it's just not possible. Now if they could've signed Susan Lucci when this first happened, I'm sure things would be very different now. That made it easier for everybody else to say no. But still there is no reason for Lucci to sign on for this. She's already booked one primetime gig and could very easily get a pilot or a recurring gig on another show. She's be stupid to do it.

Call me a blind fan, but I don't agree with any of that, LOL. AMC is not so dependent on the cast you mention IMHO at all, and I don't see the point of having paid for the concept, name and sets and launching a brand new soap on an untried network, it makes far more sense to somehow base it in Pine Valley financially and ceatively.

OLTL doesn't need Susan Lucci, it's ratings prove that. Their ratings and the fact that the majority of it's cast and crew agreed to do the move make it smart for investors. Plus the lack of a name that commands Lucci's salary is good for the long term. Not to mention OLTL's history of being under budget. AMC was also an expensive show and it was doing so poorly the last couple years. It was always more of an uphill battle.

Its ratings really are not very far from what AMC's ratings were--I think in a new venue that small difference will be even less important--and it has been mentioned hat OLTL having better ratings is a relatively new thing.

What sucks and has always sucked about contracts is that they do so little to protect an actor's interest and so much to protect the interests of TPTB. PP can have actor after actor sign and this whole venture could fall through and to the circular filing cabinet those contracts go. God forbid Susan should sign and then decide to back out of an unsteady situation, that's when things would really get messy.

This is true of all Hollywood contracts though. If you commit to a project or a pilot, you are generally locked in until TPTB cut you loose.

And it's not just Hollywood, US Capitalism is based on contracts favoring the powerful TPTB while employees and consumers have little protections.

They can still do that if and/or when the online venture fails.

I had a feeling from the start it would be tricky to continue AMC -- the show had just been stripped of its identity by years of bad decisions and was unrecognizable at the end, kind of like GL. To me, OLTL was more like ATWT where there were bad decisions, but still a good amount of important characters hanging around and plenty of potential story left to tell.

That said I wish they would at least try to continue AMC even if they have to reboot the hell out of it and keep only a few characters.

I've never bought that argument, but I know it's a common one. I honestly feel OLTL has lost its sense of identiy far morethan AMC ever did which even in its darkest periods was still recognisable (granted, partially because of people like Lucci, MEK, etc). I know that seems to be an opinion nobody else holds, but...

Stifle it, Tonja! Jill Mitwell has said in the past she has no desire to become an EP; Ed Scott would be wrong for AMC; Mikey Malone can't head-write to save his damned neck; and after what John Conboy did to my other favorite soap, GUIDING LIGHT, you've got to be high if you think I'll endorse his taking over AMC!

Yep.

I largel agree, but I do think Scott wouldn't be a bad fix. He has said repeatedly AMC is his favorite soap and one he seems to know well.

I think the basic heart of AMC was still there at the end, in some ways. The Martins, and some of the idea of life, death, family, hope. They managed to get that back as the show wound down.

Exactly, and if left alone with more time to do it, I imagine they would have even more so.

AMC is not so dependent on the cast you mention IMHO at all, and I don't see the point of having paid for the concept, name and sets and launching a brand new soap on an untried network, it makes far more sense to somehow base it in Pine Valley financially and ceatively.

Since PP licensed the rights to the show, which I'm sure was a hefty investment, I still feel this is going to move forward in some way, unless of course it's just cheaper to just cut their losses now.

I've long believed that both GL & AMC reached a point where they were no longer salvageable. No matter how beloved an institution something may be, sometimes the best option is to just let go.

AW & ATWT could have gone on for several more years, but I'm honestly (in hindsight) glad that they ended when they did (though I remain furious that their replacements were such pieces of s#it), so both soaps were able to go off the air with some dignity left. Quality wise, I feel that OLTL is currently in a similar position as AW & ATWT were at the end; that's why I'd prefer to see it end now and go out with its head held high. (I'm really worried that under PP's direction, OLTL will become as bad as GL or AMC became.)

Max, did you regularly watch OLTL and AMC? I say this because... Frankly I think OLTL has (creatively) been worse for a big period of its last few years.

I disregard anything Jamey says about AMC. I don't care that he was "right" about the move, after all he did campaigning for the show's failure I'll never believe he cares about the show.

Exactly. The fact that he bends over backwards to defend OLTL on things he has complained about on AMC speaks miles.

Max, did you regularly watch OLTL and AMC? I say this because... Frankly I think OLTL has (creatively) been worse for a big period of its last few years.

OLTL has lost more of its identity than any other soap other than GH but it's almost been sanitized to the point that the current folks watching don't care. Its actually become more of what ABC had been trying to do with their soaps than any other.

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No. PP should get its union issues and funding taken care of. The longer it takes them to do that the less of a reason there is for anybody to sign with them.

Right, getting Nixon on board at this point would accomplish nothing. She has made it clear that she would like to be a part of the new AMC, but, as much as I feel the woman can walk on water, I think it's beyond her at this stage in her life to be a full time HW in any capacity.

OLTL has lost more of its identity than any other soap other than GH but it's almost been sanitized to the point that the current folks watching don't care. Its actually become more of what ABC had been trying to do with their soaps than any other.

I actually do completel agree with that. In a sense I suppose it's proven them right--it just riles me up when people say AMC has been completely gutted and is unsalvageable to what it once was, in comparison.

Exactly. The fact that he bends over backwards to defend OLTL on things he has complained about on AMC speaks miles.

He's a hypocrite. ALl the things he blasted TOmlin and Higley for at Days were all the things he praised Guza for at GH. He only loved Guza because his fave Burton was front and center 5 days a week.

This is going to sound strange, but here goes. I think that OLTL has not had as steady an identity as AMC. Look at what OLTL was under Rauch versus how it was under Gottlieb. They were both called OLTL, but they seldom resembled each other.

I'm also not going to blame Prospect Park for unnamed sources blaming actors.

That's alright. I will.

This is going to sound strange, but here goes. I think that OLTL has not had as steady an identity as AMC. Look at what OLTL was under Rauch versus how it was under Gottlieb. They were both called OLTL, but they seldom resembled each other.

No, I agree. The show has arguably had the most changes in identity of any long term soap. I loe it--and I know certain posters will think this makes me an OLTL hater, but it's had a hard time balancing the two major identities (ie socially progressive drama with high, and admittedl under Ruach often highly witty, camp).

No, I agree. The show has arguably had the most changes in identity of any long term soap. I loe it--and I know certain posters will think this makes me an OLTL hater, but it's had a hard time balancing the two major identities (ie socially progressive drama with high, and admittedl under Ruach often highly witty, camp).

OLTL is all camp now. Thats it and most of the characters on the show are easily replaceable barring the few vets and Todds concubines.