Members MissLlanviewPA Posted January 15, 2013 Members Share Posted January 15, 2013 Eli & Blair were hot in 2010. Ruined eventually, of course, but hot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dale Posted January 15, 2013 Members Share Posted January 15, 2013 True. But I wouldn't mind them confirming that so Victor can STAY dead in the reboot! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khan Posted January 15, 2013 Members Share Posted January 15, 2013 No, you're right, Dale. Both those events happened. I was referring to the first (meaning, 1968/1969) story. According to Soap Opera Weekly, Agnes Nixon wrote that Viki created "Niki" in order to deal with the trauma of her mother's death (and again, for the record, I agree that that was fairly lame). However, I give credit to Michael Malone for including that incident in his version of events. Aside from Victor's abuse and Tori's murdering him, he didn't create new-and-heretofore-unknown backstory like I think Sam Hall and Peggy O'Shea did in the '85 story. Neither do I. To me, that was just stupid, plain and simple. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted January 15, 2013 Members Share Posted January 15, 2013 I thought that Niki was around during the pregnancy with Megan, and she turned back into Viki during labor? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SFK Posted January 15, 2013 Members Share Posted January 15, 2013 I thought Niki emerged during labor then Victor had Viki hypnotized to forget the rest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted January 15, 2013 Members Share Posted January 15, 2013 Yeah, you're probably right. For some reason I thought she went by Niki in that place she and Roger lived in during her pregnancy. I think I got it backwards though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SFK Posted January 15, 2013 Members Share Posted January 15, 2013 Yeah, I think Viki and Roger were pretty in love in Eterna and Niki "helped her out" with the delivery. I may be wrong. I never saw that stuff, just read about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted January 15, 2013 Members Share Posted January 15, 2013 Right, though it was also tied into Victor wishing she had been born a boy, and all the pressures (and in a sense emotional abuse) he foisted on her. I dunno, in this case I think it was more than justified (frankly, as good as the Tina story was to watch, more justified to retcon than retconning it with the Irene Manning stuff). Like Carl and others have said, I don't like what they did with the story after--I mean the DID story was such a triumph IMHO that it should have been the end of Nicki (soaps increasingly seemed to lose the restraingt nto to pull stories like Nicki/Vicki out every few years) and the alters, but I think the actual story was well done enough, dramatic enough, and in a sense important enough (I know someone who was dealing with repressed incestual feelings right around the same time and she said watching it, personally meant the world to me), that it justified the retcon. But then, I woulda just left it there. I can't find this 1980 episode in the video folder here, or on youtube--Link? I still wonder if Carlivati was going somewhere with that--it seems unlike his style to drop something changing history like that and not go with it. But I agree 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted January 15, 2013 Members Share Posted January 15, 2013 I'm not refering to anyone in this thread--but it does make me laugh when some complain that they changed Victor's backstory and character too much with the DID story--yet these same people don't seem to take issue with him being this insane rich man who built Eterna, all the stuff that happened there, etc... Although I guess it does make Victor's appearance in Heaven seem odd. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SFK Posted January 15, 2013 Members Share Posted January 15, 2013 I think I tend to agree with MissLlanviewPA, I'd just rather fanwank and go with my own story (rather than having had RC make even more of a mess with it). However. If it can be readdressed masterfully under SBH, I'd be all over that. Mainly because Dorian and Viki at their best (imo) is when they are knee deep in dark family drama. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SFK Posted January 15, 2013 Members Share Posted January 15, 2013 Ha, good point. We can't buy abuse but we can buy Eterna. Yeah, re: Heaven, people said that was more fantasy and of course Victor would be in Heaven in Viki's reality. I guess fans can make what they want of that. You can even get really deep with it and say that Victor repented, confessed his sins, oh Lord... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soapfave06 Posted January 15, 2013 Members Share Posted January 15, 2013 (edited) Here you go Edited January 15, 2013 by soapfave06 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted January 15, 2013 Members Share Posted January 15, 2013 ? I suppose Eterna happened at a point where the show had just gotten so outlandish so it's kinda justified. Still, I see it as far more realistic, and dramatically interesting, that this important pillar of the community was a messed up sexual abuser, than that he was building underground cities and having his daughter hypnotized to forget pregnancies, etc... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members soapfave06 Posted January 15, 2013 Members Share Posted January 15, 2013 I'm trying to figure it out. Not using my computer where I know how to post a link. It shows before I submit the post, but once its posted, the link is gone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted January 15, 2013 Members Share Posted January 15, 2013 Eterna is larger than life. Viki being raped for years and falling in love with a man because he subconsciously reminded her of her rapist is...not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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