Survivor 12: Panama - Exile Island

[kelli_blue]

YES! He's not only good looking, but he's such a hard worker and stand up kind of guy, which I find sexy also.

I really hope he wins, because he DESERVES it, but with the tight Casaya on the jury, I doubt they would vote for him if her were F2.

[irish secra]

Well, I really think Terry will win if he gets to the end. His two former tribemates will definitely vote for him. Bruce always got along with him so he is a possibility - I think he will respect what Terry has accomplished out there. Both Courtney and Shane know Terry didn't vote against them - in fact he tried to form an alliance with both of them and never lied to either of them. Terry was as blindsided in the votes as they were. Plus Shane isn't likely to forget that Terry chose to take him and his little boy on that reward. That reward meant the world to him. Shane is a very emotional dude and I think that he will now vote for Terry.

So, since basically Terry has survived to the end without relying or allying with anyone, I feel he is the ultimate survivor. He hasn't lied to anyone (no dirty tricks at all) - he frankly hasn't ever had to since they refused to include him in any strategy at all.

[darraholic]

Shane doesn't know that he voted for him. Terry's vote wasn't revealed so Shane believes that everyone votef for him.

I really don't see Tery winning. Terry's only offers to them were frankly horrible deals. Out of everyone left Terry has done the worst job at strategy. I think Terry loses against all 3 if he makes Final 2.

[KMan101]

Mike ... Cirie definitely strategized. When Casaya lost in Episode 5, she wasn't voted out then. She had the girls on her side. She clearly had Aras and Shane on her side. She played the political game VERY well. That's WAY more important than a physical game. She also single-handedly got Courtney out in one of the best moves to date in this game. So I don't get how people can't say she hasn't strategized. She has the political aspect down pat.

Terry is a lousy strategist. No plan he ever game up with has worked. He's not playing a very good political game, which is why he won't win. Tom played the best game, both political and physical.

Terry's not going to win.

[SteveFrame]

Terry might not win. But I sure hope if one of Casaya wins it is Aras. I do not want Cirie to win it at all.

As to a political game Terry has played the best one he could play under the circumstances. He was a fairly good strategist until he came in with the numbers against him. His biggest flaw in his political game was being too honest. He should have lied like all of Casaya and he might have gotten it.

Instead of promising any of the ones he tried to make deals with the final 2 - he started out promising the final 4 or final 5. With that the person had no more to gain because with Casaya they were already in the top 5. That was bad. But if he had lied and said I'll take you to the final 3 and then voted against them when it got down to final 3 or 4 they wouldn't have voted for him either. So he was screwed either way it went. He made promises to Austin and the girl (sorry forgot her name). He would have stuck with them. So he would have lost their votes anyway. He was damned no matter what way he went.

As to the Danielle and Courtney thing, he should have lied to Danielle about Courtney. That was a big mistake, but again he was trying to be too honest. Of course as wishy washy as Danielle is she could have still changed her mind to go with Cirie's plan.

You can't be a good strategist when you don't have anything to really offer. He could have lied but still lost out on the jury. So all along he has the numbers against him.

He stands more of a chance now. But Aras and Cirie's chances are dwindling with thier lies and backstabbing. I firmly believe they have both lost Courtney's and Shane's votes. I will be totally shocked if either of them vote for one of them. I know from Courtney's demeanor last night she is esp. made at Danielle - so I know she won't vote for her.

[KMan101]

I think Courtney respects both Terry and Aras, despite the lies, so her vote is definitely a toss up if it's between them. I don't know how she feels about Cirie, but maybe just as bitter...

I really have no idea how this jury will vote. Usually a lot are predictable but with these people, I just don't know... I do know Danielle probably doesn't stand much of a chance... she could probably get Austin and Bruce's vote depending on who she is up against.

[King]

Terry might now win. I doubt he will. But he deserves it the most. For sure. Cirie has had numbers on her side for most of the game. Terry has almost never had numbers on his side, and he's made it this far. He's unstoppable!

[KMan101]

He only made it this far because he was strong and won immunities. He would of been gone first in the merge. Not saying he doesn't DESERVE to be where he is, but he's only there because of his strength, not his mental prowess.

[King]

Not necessarily true. Terry has worked out some great deals with people. They just haven't taken them.

[darraholic]

I'd have to disagree. Some of his offers were down right horrible. Offering Shane & Cirie 2 extra weeks to turn on Casaya so they can finish 6th & 5th?

I give credit to Terry for trying but when it comes to the strategy side of the game he isn't the best. It's alot like the guatemala finale. You had Steph who was great at the strategy part and you had Danni who was great at the social part.

Either way, I don't hate any of the Final 4 so I'm happy if anyone wins. Although, I'll be really happy if Cirie or Danielle win.

[King]

Yeah. This is a really good Final Four. The only one I kinda dislike...actually, I guess I do dislike Danielle. Terry is always plotting and scheming against Aras. I have to give him some strategic credit for realizing who his #1 threat is.

Terry is pretty much a definite for final two in my eyes. He has the hidden immunity which will get him to the F3. And that is assuming he doesn't win the F4 immunity, then I think he is a shoe-in for the F3 IC win.

Terry is sitting pretty, and I'm rooting for him all the way!

[irish secra]

Well, I guess it depends on what you think the title of ultimate survivor means whether you think Terry will win. Terry, literally, knew he would not survive another week unless he won the immunity. So, every week the pressure was on to win that challenge. That impresses me so much.

Yes, he hasn't been the best strategist but it was made clear to him from the beginning that he was the outsider who had to go. Nobody wanted to strategize with him because no one believed he could keep winning immunities.

So, he did the best that he could do given the circumstances.

I also agree that Cirie is by far the best strategist out there.

Aras is ok on the social and strategic part while Danielle's only strategy is to constantly flip flop with no rhyme or reason.

Personally, I hope Terry wins - and if not him, then the underdog Cirie.

[darraholic]

I'm always impressed by the immunity whores. After all my favorite Darrah won 3 in a row.

[King]

I think Cirie's probably the best strategist of this year...but I am not sure that is saying much. Regardless, she's hilarious and a lovable lady with kids, and I'd be happy if she won. But Terry is my #1 pick!

Can't wait to see Shane at Final TC!

[KMan101]

I can't wait to see Shane AND Courtney. You just know they're gonna be bitter as hell.

Cirie winning would be awesome, but I really don't see it happening. Danielle has rubbed too many people the wrong way. She COULD win, but she is being set up to lose. Aras or Terry are going to win ... just a question of which one. I'm leaning towards Aras, but I suppose Terry could.