Nate Berkus premieres with dreadful numbers

[Soapsuds]

The final season of The Oprah Winfrey Show premiered to a 6.8/17 household rating/share on Monday. That's up 3% versus last year. Some might have hoped for more for the final season before Oprah heads to OWN (Oprah Winfrey Network) on cable, after being pummeled with series lows during the summer…up is up!

Oprah spinoff The Nate Berkus Show premiered to a 1.2/4 household rating/share, up 20% versus the average for the time period last September.

I watched Nate's show and hated it. It looked so cheaply produced. The studio looked so damn small...ugh....

They are cancelling soaps left and right for talk shows/game shows which are getting worse numbers and demos.

[DRW50]

I like Nate Berkus, but has he ever been on any show beyond Oprah? Clearly he's not Dr. Phil, although I'd much rather see him with his clothes off...

I still think we're going to reach a point within 5-10 years when daytime is all reruns and no real new shows whatsoever.

[Soapsuds]

me too...id love that....I flove him but his show sucks...

[Soaplovers]

Soaps cost money.. game shows/talk shows are cheap. Simple as that, though I wonder how many talk shows/game shows can people watch?

[DRW50]

I wonder how cheap the more modern talk shows are. Something like Richard Bey was cheap I'm sure but these talk shows now have to have "names" or are produced by "names" who likely take a hefty fee.

[JackPeyton]

Low rating, still up from what that timeslot use to bring in.

The show sucks tho, badly.

I bet they are still only a fraction of soaps. They tape 4 or so less months a year, can easily tie in on air product placement, have less staff, etc...

[DRW50]

The problem becomes not whether they're cheaper than soaps but if they're cheap enough to warrant not just putting in reruns or something like a court show. Most of these talk shows aren't replacing soaps, they're replacing other talk shows. I wonder how many losses the talk show market will face before they dry up again.

[JackPeyton]

Yeah, but just about every talk show has a name. This one is interesting tho, because its an NBC talk show not a syndicated talk show.

Talk shows in general are interesting to look at, because it seems rather random what ones are a hit and what ones are not.

The Talk however is replacing a soap opera, and i dont see how one like that cant have a bigger budget han most with all those hosts.

[DRW50]

I see The Talk as a special case because it has the wife of the president of CBS.

[JackPeyton]

LOL, I think even without her it would be going ahead.

And also, it isnt a aituation where a soap was axed for a talk show, but where a soap was axed and a talk show was picked as a replacement over a game show.

[bellcurve]

There isn't a market for a show like his in daytime TV. They can't expect for Nate Berkus to have awesome households and demos when he's giving out furniture and painting walls advice. It didn't work for Martha, won't work for Nate. For Nate to work, they have to be realistic. His brand of advice is for a niche audience.

Aside from Dr. Phil and Rachael Ray, her spinoff talk shows have sets and theme songs that look like infomericals. Dr. Oz's New York studio couldn't look more bland. I wouldn't have expected any less from Nate Berkus. The only problem is that Oz actually has topics that interest everyday Americans and actually has a more lively personality. Nate often comes off to me as stuffy, pretentious, wannabe. Not to mention that hair. YUCK.

And what's your beef with talk shows/game shows? It's not like we've had six soaps canceled in a year. There were only two(that actually mattered) canceled in the past five years: ATWT and GL. And Nate Berkus is syndicated, just like most daytime talk/game properties, so I don't understand why the hell you're getting all pissy about it.

And as other people have said on the boards, even if the numbers for these upstarts are dreadful, they need at least two-three years to build an audience or a following. Hell, The View flew under the radar for ten years before they added Rosie O'Donnell and Whoopi, which pretty much sent the show into the ratings stratosphere. If The Talk pulls in dreadful opening numbers, don't think CBS will panic and just yank the show off the air. They will stick with it for at least a good five years.

And expect to see Nate renewed, especially if he shows even the slightest bit of growth.

[YRBB]

Ouch, that sucks. He's adorable and I was hoping he would do well. I only caught the last few minutes of the premiere episode so I can't comment on how good the show is or not. He managed to almost completely hide his nervousness, though, which is to his credit.

But, what's with the OPRAH part of the news? Another site said she was actually down from last season's premiere (which they tried to make into a big deal, even though it was only a difference of 300,000 viewers).

[Soapsuds]

Having Nate looking at people's houses for shitty furniture and giving beauty tips isn't worth watching....lol

And bellcurve...I can be pissy all I want.....lets see if u arent pissy when your GH is gone!

[Eric83]

I'm mad Nate's show took Dr. Oz's timeslot in my market.

It is pretty crappy though.

[DRW50]

Does anyone know which tends to be cheapest to most expensive?

Is it talk show > game show > court show from most to least expensive?

How does it work?