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Linda Gottlieb article 1992

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I know this woman elicits strong feelings among some posters here.

Here's an article from 92.I think Connie Passalacqua(Marlena DeLaCroix was the writer)

When the daytime soap world gathers at the Sheraton New York Hotel tonight for the 19th annual Daytime Emmy Awards, the main schmooze for once won't be Susan Lucci's 12-time failure to win the best actress statuette. The buzz instead will be about the ABC soap opera "One Life to Live, " whose new producer, Linda Gottlieb, has been making a controversial attempt to revolutionize the stagnant daytime soap opera form.

Gottlieb, who produced the hit film "Dirty Dancing, " had no prior daytime soap experience when she took the job last July. In the insular world of daytime television, which traditionally promotes and hires from within, her name may as well be Fletcher Christian.

' "One Life to Live' is the anti-soap, " says Robert Rorke, senior editor of Soap Opera Digest. "Like a soap opera antihero, you never know what it's going to do next. "

Soap audiences used to perfect-looking actors and actresses have tuned into such scenes as one in which a bald man (Paul Bartel) defended a psychotic woman for murder; the key clue to that murder may have been provided by an even balder man (Wallace Shawn). In a world where it's de rigueur for soap hunks to be monosyllabic, "One Life to Live " characters quote Shakespeare and recite the poetry of Burns, Donne, Rossetti and Shelley. In a genre that spins on endless romances, fantasy and froth, one recent "OLTL " storyline hinged on a scene straight out of "The Snake Pit " -- one character's visit to the sanitarium where her sister grew up.

"I had hoped by the end of my stint that I would be able to do for the world of daytime what Steven Bochco did for nighttime TV, " says Gottlieb, referring to the writer-producer whose "Hill Street Blues " revolutionized the hour police drama. "He took a form that was mired in its own preconceptions and brought it into the modern world. He showed things that were rough and uneven, and that characters aren't gorgeous all the time. And that's what makes his shows seem alive. Look, I've hired a guy with a scar on his face (Mark Brettschneider, who plays teen rebel Jason Webb). "

That's just one of her changes. Gottlieb, who admits she had never watched a daytime soap before agreeing to take the helm of "One Life to Live, " says, "It's rare to have a chance to come in to something that you don't know anything about. Either it means you are going to fall on your face or you're free to rethink it. "

Soaps had never kept up with new technology, says Gottlieb, who has introduced film-like post-production techniques, including computerized music editing. Gottlieb envisions making music as intrinsic to the success of "One Life to Live " as it was to "Dirty Dancing. " She has already hired personal friends Judy Collins (to sing a love theme) and off-Broadway composer Elizabeth Swados (to score a location sequence). And she has also used such cult actors as Bartel ( "Eating Raoul ") and Shawn ( "My Dinner With Andre ") in guest roles.

"Why not get the best people working for this medium? We're reaching a ton of people. It's as if soaps in the past have been self-conscious adolescents saying, 'We're gawky; we'd better not go after the good-looking guys,' " she says in an interview in her office at "OLTL's " West Side studio.

Gottlieb's most valuable, if not radical, hire has been head writer Michael Malone, a former University of Pennsylvania professor and well-reviewed author of such complex novels as "Time's Witness " and the recent "Foolscap. " Most head writers are veterans who hop from show to show, but Malone, like Gottlieb, had no soap experience.

Not everyone is sold on her approach. "There are tried-and-true rules that make a soap work, " says Freeman Gunter, a managing editor of Soap Opera Weekly. "Gottlieb wants to reinvent the wheel, but the wheel's already been here for 40 years. Some think it's working just fine. "

Indeed, in Gottlieb's rush to innovate, she has cast aside the three crucial soap opera elements that have kept audiences addicted since the dawn of TV:

* Continuity: In an admirable attempt to pick up the slow pace of soaps, "One Life to Live " has done several short-term, close-ended storylines -- on such subjects as wife-beating and prejudice -- reminiscent to the arcs used on the prime-time drama "Wiseguy. " But these stories simply ended, leaving viewers free to zap to other soaps. "In soaps, continuity is the most important element in building ratings and audiences, " says Douglas Marland, head writer of CBS' "As the World Turns. "

* Familiarity: "What makes a soap work for people is the familiarity they feel with characters -- the predictability, " Gunter says. "They're shocked when they tune in and see a character acting like they're on a medication which doesn't agree with them. " Under Gottlieb, the heroic Viki Buchanan (played by Erika Slezak), the show's central focus for 23 years, was suddenly pushed to the back burner and was transformed from a kindly, liberal figure into a meddling mother-in-law.

* Likability: Soap audiences tune in every day to see characters they love or love to hate, no matter how stereotypical they seem. In an attempt to build more complex, lifelike characters, Malone's creations are many shades of gray.

In her defense, Gottlieb says she's not producing the show for the soap audience, but more from her own tastes and instincts.

As with any insurgent, there has been resistance toward Gottlieb in the soap industry. "She's perceived as arrogant for saying she can reinvent something that everyone else has been doing for so long, " Gunter says.

Others, however, feel that soap operas, whose formats haven't changed much in 40 years, desperately need a kick. "Soaps have never responded to the new competition presented by cable and video, " says Soap Opera Digest's Rorke. "Soap audiences also now include substantial percentages of men and college students as well as the traditional audience of homemakers. If Gottlieb is being dynamic and shaking things up, then good for her. "

And there is evidence that Gottlieb's gambles may be paying off, even if the soap was not nominated this year for an Emmy as best daytime serial. "One Life to Live " (seen weekdays at 1 p.m. on ABC, Channels 7, 3, 10 and 42) ranked 10th (out of 11) in the ratings when Gottlieb arrived last year and is now fifth. Still, that's not as high as it reached through most of the '80s, when it placed third or fourth.

Gottlieb says she's aware of the negative industry talk about her attempts. She shrugs: "You've just got to keep pushing the envelope. The great thing about soaps is if you fail one day, you can pick yourself up and try something else the next. "

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Well, Larry has recurred on and off for years, so it was nowhere near as abrupt or callous as Brooke. He also played a shockingly substantial role in the Viki heart transplant story of 2004, Malone II's only really good story IMHO. They knew what Larry meant to Viki and her family and played that accordingly. But Larry has never really been honored for being the stalwart original vet, on or off-contract, who's always been there, even if just offscreen. I like to think he's still there giving Bree, Shane, etc. check-ups just the same.

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That's his last appearance, right? During 2004? I thought Malone and Griffith did it partly cuz of the role he played in Megan's health/death.

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And I am not going to guess at the writing team on the Chapin/Crown stuff but I do believe it was what spurred what we now know as the true "Rauch OLTL" - Tina, Mitch, etc. Not anything involving Karen, David, Jenny, Bo/Delilah/Asa or the baby switch. To the best of my knowledge all that was popular.

It was - and thank you, Vee, for pointing out this distinction upthread. As you said, Joe Stuart and Gordon Russell's (and later Sam Hall's) OLTL was different (and better) from the OLTL which came immediately after. Rauch came in, b/c everyone agreed the show needed a shot of adrenalin.

Yes, Hall did come up with some whopper storylines, like Dr. Ivan Kipling's brain chips; however, you have to remember, this was during a time when Luke & Laura and that crazy "Ice Princess" storyline was all the rage on GH. ABC Daytime practically mandated their other soaps to follow suit - which is how come AMC suddenly had Palmer and Erica hunting down Nazis, RYAN'S HOPE had stories about escaped gorillas and lost treasure, and OLTL had Dr. Kipling, who'd been just another one of Karen's johns before, suddenly implanting chips in people's brains.

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(even in an OTT story like Karen's Belle Du Jour storyline which apparently was also a suggestion of Agnes').

Really? I've heard Russell himself came up with the idea after watching "Donahue" do a show about "housewives who hook". Agnes' story about prostitution, on AMC, was about getting the girl (Donna) out of "the life". Russell, therefore, thought it'd be fascinating to see what would lead someone into it.

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These people are in such over the top situations but I never feel like I'm watching made up dramas.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what the essence of OLTL once was, and should be again.

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Dan Lauria played one of the people at the club, right?

He played "Gus, the Killer Pimp," lol.

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Can you link me please? (I'm hopeless with finding youtube vids). I liek Courtney but certainly things like those witness stand break downs are the kinda of acting an actor like Light can make transcend melodrama and REAL--Courtney couldn't.

Here you go.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=tovzHPj8pls

Is the Asa wedding ep online too? :blush:

I looked and it is. It looks like you can link to the different segments from the first clip.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=I6y2dDzYw-I

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I love how it seems like all of Llandview is in that courtroom to witness Karen's now legendary testimony on the witness stand. LOL!

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Really? I've heard Russell himself came up with the idea after watching "Donahue" do a show about "housewives who hook". Agnes' story about prostitution, on AMC, was about getting the girl (Donna) out of "the life". Russell, therefore, thought it'd be fascinating to see what would lead someone into it.

Just going by what Agnes said in the 88 Paley interview.

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Here you go.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=tovzHPj8pls

I looked and it is. It looks like you can link to the different segments from the first clip.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=I6y2dDzYw-I

Thanks those are WONDERFUL. That Marcowuzmypimp channel has some great 1978 stuff too (interesting the credits back then said "Story by Gordon Russell, Sam Hall, Peggy O'Shea" and then list "writers" starting with Don Wallace.)

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This is a Thursday episode, I think on Friday Herb moved out of the duplex (doesn't Dorian's set look like Erica's Linden?). I've seen the scene where Dorian's in that dress crying as Herb with suitcases barges out.

OMG, Benson and Webster promos, I get so nostalgic when I see stuff like this and can picture just who and where I was in life (not a care in the world happy as hell elementary school kid).

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I think Schmering's book said Rauch/Corringtons were responsible for Samantha being taken off the life support, which he called one of the best moments of that season. Then he said the show collapsed in organized crime.

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