Now, having watched the whole thing through, I'm more satisfied.

1. I got my JT scene. I wish Thad were more broken up (Amelia did a better job, crying for him outside the window), but at least we got that scene. I liked his "dream" of picking her up and saving her from the lake. Because, as we see at the top of this thread, he once fulfilled that dream. I also wish he had saved her.

2. Eric Braeden mentions, in his Michael Logan interview, how rehearsal time is gone. That's nothing new...all the soaps are doing that. But what is interesting is how it affects the performances, giving many of them less emotional heft than they should have.

In that context, it is interesting to see how some senior "stars" are able to coach good performances when the moment calls for it. Hayley Erin is no award winner, but today (with Colleen) was her best moment. And that moment was spent alone with Peter Bergman. So, too, Joshua Morrow showed much more emotion today than he did when grieving with the mother of his dead baby. And, of course, he was alone with Michelle Stafford. And Billy Miller was brought to greater heights by Jeanne Cooper.

I also was impressed by Eileen Davidson's chirpy coldness...and by Michael Muhney's teary eyed "outsider" status, watching Victor get wheeled away. These two are, IMO, very good.

3. The thing that didn't ring true for me was Kay as a reader of bible passages. I don't personally recall that much from her past...and it was at Sabrina's funeral that she was not much different from Billy in raising a fist to God. So, to have her recite an Ezekiel passage from memory was a bit much. It's like Amanda Beall wrote her as a generic "soap elder"...which Kay never was.

But, in general, I didn't mind Beall's script today. I didn't notice a lot of hip modernisms.

4. Beth Maitland totally won me over today. I felt her pain in those final farewells with Colleen--palpably. She is amazing. And Melody--with her streaked cheeks--gave all the heart needed to the Newman scenes. And BRAVO to Eric Braeden for summoning buckets of real tears today.

This was a good entry, and a relatively moving end to this part of Colleen's story.

I agree wiht everything you said. I think I used half a box of kleenex today. And that Haley Erin drives me NUTS. She sucks for days and weeks on end, and then today... the little bitch makes me CRY! For once I'm glad she pulled this out. Adn Morrow FINALLY showed something! And Amelia crying outside the door was moving and effective, her KNOWING that Colleen is JT's "Nikki", and he will never love HER like he loved Colleen. Thad. My goodness, that boy can't act. I liked the dialogue, it would have been a great scene in the hands of a capable actor. Now, Katherine reciting bible verses ain't THAT odd... just remember her religious conversion thanks to Brock, circa 1975. I think the scene would have worked better, though, if it were BROCK in Kay's place, though (Billy and Brock are pretty close, you know). The main thing I would have done differently today, was I would have NOT shown Victor in the final scene, I would ahve made it nothing but Maitland at Colleen's bedside, and NO ONE ELSE. I also wouldn't have used Cassie's version of Nadia's theme. That version to me, should have remained special.... never to be used again. I would have used THIS version, and we haven't heard it in YEARS, so it would have been very effective:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wId7DspI6jU

And btw.... can I just say another thing about the clip above...boy do I MISS those EXTREME closeups Conboy used to do!

Edited October 6, 200916 yr by alphanguy74

A year from now and after that, we'll still be asking "Why?".

No, after that, this show will be cancelled and you'll be happy as a clam watching reruns of hollyoaks where the actresses have big tits and try to pass it off as talent.

No, after that, this show will be cancelled and you'll be happy as a clam watching reruns of hollyoaks where the actresses have big tits and try to pass it off as talent.

Which has what to do with this thread exactly? Not my problem you constantly pass crap off as "good" writing.

But run along, I'm sure you have to get ready for your Brenda Dickson drag show...

Edited October 6, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

I agree wiht everything you said. I think I used half a box of kleenex today. And that Haley Erin drives me NUTS. She sucks for days and weeks on end, and then today... the little bitch makes me CRY! For once I'm glad she pulled this out. Adn Morrow FINALLY showed something! And Amelia crying outside the door was moving and effective, her KNOWING that Colleen is JT's "Nikki", and he will never love HER like he loved Colleen. Thad. My goodness, that boy can't act. I liked the dialogue, it would have been a great scene in the hands of a capable actor. Now, Katherine reciting bible verses ain't THAT odd... just remember her religious conversion thanks to Brock, circa 1975. I think the scene would have worked better, though, if it were BROCK in Kay's place, though (Billy and Brock are pretty close, you know). The main thing I would have done differently today, was I would have NOT shown Victor in the final scene, I would ahve made it nothing but Maitland at Colleen's bedside, and NO ONE ELSE. I also wouldn't have used Cassie's version of Nadia's theme. That version to me, should have remained special.... never to be used again. I would have used THIS version, and we haven't heard it in YEARS, so it would have been very effective:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=wId7DspI6jU

And btw.... can I just say another thing about the clip above...boy do I MISS those EXTREME closeups Conboy used to do!

I thought the exact same thing about Brock! He should have been the man with the bible verses.

That old Cindy Lake death scene was great. I thought that was Cassie's Nadia's Theme. I think they're using it because it is quieter, more subtle. Y&R is less "produced" these days, and that would make the sumptuous orchestral version seem "over-produced" for the lower key show. But I would have been happy with a plain-old "opening theme" version.

I missed the use of this theme when Brad died. I realize that his death was meant more for shock value (the under-ice indignity), but I really missed that ability to say goodbye to him.

It will be nice to get out of the hospital beginning tomorrow. Honestly, today's show was so heavy and dark, I was urgently wishing for some Fisher-Baldwin hijinks...just to leaven things up.

Sorry, not impressed by Muhney, and there's something very flat, yet over the top about him. I also can't get past how damn old he looks.

Did anyone listen to the CBS podcast on DC? They really rip Adam, Muhney, the Colleen story, and this inane baby switch. Nice to know many of the supporters (now former supporters) for this writing regime at Y&R have seen the light...

Poor Colleen, you know she'll be all but forgotten in a month. What a terrible waste of a character with so much potential and so much to offer if properly written and cast. A year from now and after that, we'll still be asking "Why?".

As DeeDee would say..."Pretty Much""..

I hate now loathe Muhney in the role of Adam. He is all wrong for the role and I feel squat for him. He is not a good actor at all and he is too old for the part!!

I liked the Colleen character until Aussie girl to over and ruined it!!

I actually liked the show today. It's the 1st time in a long while that I was excited to get home from lunch to watch the show and I didn't switch the channel once!! Sure, it's not perfect but today was a good day for me. That's about all I can say.

And I don't like MM's acting either but Adam is currently a "cartoon character" for me so....

But MAB has thrown out some subtle hints about what's coming...and I like.

Edited October 6, 200916 yr by JimTolkien

It will be nice to get out of the hospital beginning tomorrow. Honestly, today's show was so heavy and dark, I was urgently wishing for some Fisher-Baldwin hijinks...just to leaven things up.

If the show were better balanced, we wouldn't need useless hijinks from Gloria as a rest period. Everything right now is doom and gloom, it's so sad that characters like Gloria provide a break for us. Surely there should be some boardroom meeting at Jabot or Newman as a side story, surely there's someone who is genuinely happy on this show, surely there's characters who haven't had a story in a while that should be given one, etc.

Edited October 6, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

LOL. That's exactly why I posted that. Even if you hated the latest portrayer, at least a few of us have had a lot of affection for the character over the years. It is THAT we should remember this week. I know we're being manipulated, but I fully intend to jump on the "I'll miss you Colleen" bus this week. What a terrific bunch of years the character gave us. She'll be sorely missed.

I hope I won't get in trouble, but one of my favorite Jolleen scenes is embedded below. (My excuse...it is relevant for setting the emotional context of this week) For this scene, it is hard for anyone to love Kevin after seeing that. It goes down as one of my all-time favorites on Y&R, and always brings a lump to my throat. Listen to the music! I also embedded a cheesy clip package that is closer to what SHOULD have been playing this week.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=-AeDw_5BoH4 http://www.youtube.c...h?v=awMiEeHFiAs

Ah, sh!t...now the sappiness is coming out in me. I made the mistake of typing "JT and Colleen" into Youtube. Now I wanna cry. Nothing I'm seeing on screen these days does that . I wish they could have paid better homage to that romance.

ETA: Damn, I watched that fire-rescue video in toto. When I see that, or Cassie's death, then I really mourn for my lost Y&R. Not these heightened stories, but for all the emotion that was pouring out back then.

Colleen, a character who survived being left to die in a burning building not once, but twice to be saved both times by her love JT who always held her heart is now a dead character. This former camp counselor fell out of a canoe on a sunny day on a calm lake and apparently fell so dramatically out of said boat that when she floated up she hit her head so hard and drowned. Now this dead girl has been sacrificed to see her heart given to a man who hired a couple of over the hill grifters to set her up to be embarrassed on the internet.

From the height of romance to the height of trash. How sad. It was bad enough they killed her off a mere 7 months after her father drowned in the same lake, but to have her die in such a contrived way. I was never a huge JT and Colleen fan, but I remember being moved when he found her and carried her out to her father's arms, but now both Brad and Colleen are dead and for what?

Edited October 6, 200916 yr by lmfan

Colleen, a character who survived being left to die in a burning building not once, but twice to be saved both times by her love JT who had her heart is now a dead character. This former camp counselor fell out of a canoe on a sunny day in a calm lake and apparently fell so dramatically out of said boat that when she floated up she hit her head so hard she drowned. Niw this dead girl is sacrificed now only to see her heart given to a man who hired a couple of over the hill grifters to set her up to be embarrassed on the internet.

From the height of romance to the height of trash. How sad. It was bad enough they killed her off a mere 7 months after her father drowned in the same lake, but to have her die in such a contrived way. I was never a huge JT and Colleen fan, but I remember being moved when he found her and carried her out to her father's arms, but now both Brad and Colleen are dead and for what?

Exactly my thoughts!

But I guess we're supposed to excuse it because the show will be "canceled" in a few years and bad actors were trying...

but now both Brad and Colleen are dead and for what?

For the budget, honey.... for the BUDGET. I had a feeling when Bill Bell sold part of Y&R to Sony, such a large corporation with their moronic bean counters would eventually kill this show. But I'm glad we got a good episode today, and even Friday was great. I, too... am looking for something LIGHTER after the sadness and gravitas of the last week. This is where I'd have like to seen Indigo again. Bring in a guest star to sing at the club... Mary Wilson would be nice, it would give Neil a reason to be onscreen.

For the budget, honey.... for the BUDGET.

So, Brad and Colleen couldn't have simply left town? They had to be killed off for meaningless storylines with little to no long-term ramifications?

I had a feeling when Bill Bell sold part of Y&R to Sony, such a large corporation with their moronic bean counters would eventually kill this show.

Screen Gems, then Columbia Tri-Star, and now Sony have been invovled since day one. They don't dictate story, and Maria Bell and Paul Rauch have been far too boastful about the amount of power they have over their work. If it weren't true, I'm sure they wouldn't be singing it loud in every interview with Nelson Branco.

This is where I'd have like to seen Indigo again. Bring in a guest star to sing at the club... Mary Wilson would be nice, it would give Neil a reason to be onscreen.

Hell, I'd even settle for Gina (Patty Weaver) singing if they can't land a musical guest. Hell, where is Gina anyway? I don't believe we've seen her since she publicly called the Baldwin-Fishers out on what losers they are on television during the Chipmunk fiasco.

Edited October 6, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

MAB subtle? Really? I missed those scenes.

Mark, it's interesting that Eric Braeden is going on about lack of rehearsal time -- weren't Branco and Rauch going on about increased rehearsal time?

Josh Morrow has been on this show for over 15 years. If he can't come up with a good performance without coddling by this point then why does he still have a job?

Katherine's religion -- wasn't she "saved" by Brock in the 70s? I do agree we don't really see her in a religious element. Unless you count "Dear God in Heaven".

My favorite Colleen scene was the red hot breakup sex with JT.

She accidentally gave Abby ecstasy as a child, didn't she? That explains a lot about Abby...

MAB subtle? Really? I missed those scenes.

Hence the word "subtle". Oh come on, lighten up. Can it get much worse..what I am saying we have mourning Colleen this week and another mourning to go through next week.

Edited October 6, 200916 yr by JimTolkien

So, Brad and Colleen couldn't have simply left town? They had to be killed off for meaningless storylines with little to no long-term ramifications?

Screen Gems, then Columbia Tr-Star, and now Sony have been invovled since day one. They don't dictate story, and Maria Bell and Paul Rauch have been far too boastful about the amount of power they have over their work. If it weren't true, I'm sure they wouldn't be singing it loud in every interview with Nelson Branco.

Hell, I'd even settle for Gina (Patty Weaver) singing if they can't land a musical guest. Hell, where is Gina anyway? I don't believe we've seen her since she publicly called the Baldwin-Fishers out on what losers they are on television during the Chipmunk fiasco.

I agree with everything above. I remember when we still got the Coca Cola logo at the end of Y&R (when they owned Columbia or something). The show was fine. And I do miss Gina a lot. She had a connection of sorts to Colleen (she almost burned in the restaurant)...the least she could do is come buy and give everyone takeout lasagna.

MAB subtle? Really? I missed those scenes.

Mark, it's interesting that Eric Braeden is going on about lack of rehearsal time -- weren't Branco and Rauch going on about increased rehearsal time?

Josh Morrow has been on this show for over 15 years. If he can't come up with a good performance without coddling by this point then why does he still have a job?

Katherine's religion -- wasn't she "saved" by Brock in the 70s? I do agree we don't really see her in a religious element. Unless you count "Dear God in Heaven".

My favorite Colleen scene was the red hot breakup sex with JT.

She accidentally gave Abby ecstasy as a child, didn't she? That explains a lot about Abby...

I wonder what the truth is about rehearsals. I feel like these folks are under-rehearsed. Good point about both Morrow (but let's face it...he's still around 'cause of those dimples) and LMAO at "Dear God in Heaven".

Is that true about ecstasy?

Hence the word "subtle". Oh come on, lighten up. Can it get much worse..what I am saying we have mourning Colleen this week and another mourning to go through next week.

No, I meant it literally. I didn't see the scenes you were talking about. I thought you were talking about something and as I didn't see the whole episode I thought I'd missed it.

Edited October 6, 200916 yr by CarlD2