1 hour ago, alwaysAMC said:

LOL right?  So awful, although I'll admit, I've now watched it a few times and it's starting to grow on me in a 'love to hate' kind of way. That final whisper "Tell me the hard way" hahaha. You're a Trek fan so maybe you'll get this comparison, but the opening theme song to Enterprise - so awful, but now I love it because it's so awful haha.

Do you use the Vault at all? You can see it fully from there:

Viewing Episodes

Simply click on this link to view the episodes - bit.ly/4hkIsuE. Navigate to the folder, and on the video file, either right-click (for computer/laptop users) or long tap (for mobile users), and choose "Open in new Tab".

I just opened up the 6/08/92 episode and YES, that was a fantastic use of a montage. Vanessa looked amazing in that final shot in bed, but who was she with? I couldn't make it out, but I know it's pre-Matt... it looks like Fletcher to me.

The 7/02/92 is also a good one, gosh you know this will make me want to go watch this era now   I'm guessing that final shot with Ross is Blake before Keifer took over? 

Yes, it was the episode from the vault that I could only hear the vocals from. *shrug* not sure why, maybe I'll check it out later. 

Trekker me never watched Enterprise (or actually anything past Deep Space Nine, which I would've checked out of if not for Worf.) I wanted to, but I think it started out on the CW or whatever, and I couldn't get the channel.

UGH---yes, that's Fletcher. If you watched the entire episode, you know it starts out with Billy finding out they were sleeping together after the Jack Kiley trial. It's an emotional gut punch, as he's finally ready to admit he's still in love with her. And yes, it's a beautiful shot of Maeve, and you know Vanessa's still hung up on Billy (as if that was ever in doubt, lol), no matter what she claims to feel about ol' Fletch.

Yes, that's Sherry Stringfield in bed with Ross. There's only a few more episodes with her before Liz Keifer takes over.

There's also a couple of good ones in '93. One is right before Maureen's accident, set to a song by The Judds. And there's another on in late '92, set to Hold On To Love. I'll look that one up. That's the 9-24 episode, after Vanessa admits she's still in love with Billy, but Billy is deciding to stick with "pregnant" Nadine.

Edited November 2Nov 2 by P.J.

1 hour ago, DeeVee said:

I must have said this before, but I have to say it again:

VANESSA SLEPT WITH FLETCHER?

That guy was the town tramp. There's hardly a woman in town he didn't sleep with or pursue.

Maybe the upside of Hope being written out of the show is they most certainly would have paired her with Fletcher at some point.

Don't get me wrong, I like Hammer, he's O.K. But almost EVERY woman?

No. Don't believe it.

It's almost like any time there was an unattached woman, they would say, "Let's put her with Fletcher." Like he was the extra man at a dinner party. 😂

LOL...yes. Specifically in Vanessa's case, Fletch is the anti-Billy. Clingy, grateful for every scrap of attention, dull, and not about to contradict her about anything. LOL. Sort of like a pre-&&&& .  A walking, talking Sominex, which admittedly, after her last two years with Billy, she needed the break.

Ol' Fletch seemed to like wounded birds. There's Hillary (who was sick), Claire, Maeve (break up with Kyle), Maureen (barren earth mother), Chelsea (break up with Johnny), Alexandra (daddy issues and off a break up with HB) and Vanessa, who reeling from getting dumped for Nadine and then nearly raped. Then there was Holly, who was never arguably stable after being raped by Roger.

Vanessa never would've looked at him twice otherwise. Sorry Fletch fans. He is the perpetual last minute invite to round out a dinner party. And then he'd show up in a rumpled suit with two different colored socks and that stupid reporter hat.

Edited November 2Nov 2 by P.J.

LMAO at the recent commentary!  And all this time, I thought GL viewers considered Fletcher a suave, adventurous gigolo!  LOL.  Perhaps it was just the uncultured women (i.e. rubes) of Springfield who felt this way.  (Or more likely, it was just Fletcher himself who felt this way).  My faux pas.

And yeah, we were spared a Hope/Fletcher pairing.  In a major degradation move, Hope moves from Alan to Fletcher.  Egad!

In retrospect, perhaps it is all for the better that Deitrich didn't show up in town.  He could have been portrayed by Jay Hammer, in a dual role!

 

 

 

 

Oh, I think in general, Fletcher was liked more than we do here. If not for the relationship with Vanessa, I wouldn't think less of him. He'd be an average, unremarkable, even sometimes funny guy. 

I'm sure the reason they threw him at Van was the fact he's the least threatening guy on the canvas at the time. I'm sure he even seemed patient and devoted. It's just in hindsight that the optics aren't that good. And I think it's kind of telling that everyone seems a little shocked they hooked up. Other than Ed, it's one of Van's more puzzling relationships.

Fletcher managed to hang around way longer than any other character introduced in the early 80's.

I guess having no real family connections, and an actor willing to stay gave him longevity.

1 hour ago, Paul Raven said:

Fletcher managed to hang around way longer than any other character introduced in the early 80's.

I guess having no real family connections, and an actor willing to stay gave him longevity.

I am probably the only person here who liked the character (aside from how sanctimonious he could be), but I think Jay Hammer had an easy screen presence and Fletcher generally served a lighter purpose on the canvas. He was offbeat in a way that suited GL of the '80s and '90s, and Fletcher was just always around - easy to slot into other scattered character groups at the Bauer home, a bar or club, or the paper. And as mentioned, he could easily be paired with various women due to lack of ties. I'm not surprised that when he settled down again and had a child with Holly, he was gone within a few years. And while I was kind of annoyed, I also knew even then it was probably time for him to leave. I'm just glad they brought him back for the finale. 

@alwaysAMC Thanks again for your mini reviews. I can imagine it was not easy working out all the Reva/Reva clone developments. And now we're at the start of Drew having a much heavier presence on the show, which I was fine with at the time as I thought Tammy Blanchard was interesting (and she got better as an actress as she went along) but must be a jolt.

I had totally forgotten about Second Chances. I have some unlocked memory of Holly or Beth shouting, "I've had second, third and fourth chances!" in a big melodramatic moment, possibly fleeing the room. 

I'd forgotten Marcus, Dahlia and Griffin were still there this far into 1998.

Edited November 3Nov 3 by DRW50

His lack of ties certainly did make him unique. Sort of like Ross, although Ross was always more in the thick of the action than Fletch.

4 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

I had totally forgotten about Second Chances. I have some unlocked memory of Holly or Beth shouting, "I've had second, third and fourth chances!" in a big melodramatic moment, possibly fleeing the room. 

Of all the cockamamie businesses I have watched on the soaps over the years, Second Chances has to be among the most cockamamie.

6 minutes ago, Khan said:

Of all the cockamamie businesses I have watched on the soaps over the years, Second Chances has to be among the most cockamamie.

They didn't even use it as cross-promotion for Connie Selleca to be cast as Amanda Spaulding.

11 hours ago, P.J. said:

Yes, it was the episode from the vault that I could only hear the vocals from. *shrug* not sure why, maybe I'll check it out later. 

Trekker me never watched Enterprise (or actually anything past Deep Space Nine, which I would've checked out of if not for Worf.) I wanted to, but I think it started out on the CW or whatever, and I couldn't get the channel.

UGH---yes, that's Fletcher. If you watched the entire episode, you know it starts out with Billy finding out they were sleeping together after the Jack Kiley trial. It's an emotional gut punch, as he's finally ready to admit he's still in love with her. And yes, it's a beautiful shot of Maeve, and you know Vanessa's still hung up on Billy (as if that was ever in doubt, lol), no matter what she claims to feel about ol' Fletch.

Yes, that's Sherry Stringfield in bed with Ross. There's only a few more episodes with her before Liz Keifer takes over.

There's also a couple of good ones in '93. One is right before Maureen's accident, set to a song by The Judds. And there's another on in late '92, set to Hold On To Love. I'll look that one up. That's the 9-24 episode, after Vanessa admits she's still in love with Billy, but Billy is deciding to stick with "pregnant" Nadine.

Oh yes, that 9/24/92 montage is a good one. It's so good to see Lillian have more of a presence back in those days too.

Enterprise is worth a watch, it got really strong in it's final two seasons  

11 hours ago, P.J. said:

Vanessa never would've looked at him twice otherwise. Sorry Fletch fans. He is the perpetual last minute invite to round out a dinner party. And then he'd show up in a rumpled suit with two different colored socks and that stupid reporter hat.

LOL!

1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

 

@alwaysAMC Thanks again for your mini reviews. I can imagine it was not easy working out all the Reva/Reva clone developments. And now we're at the start of Drew having a much heavier presence on the show, which I was fine with at the time as I thought Tammy Blanchard was interesting (and she got better as an actress as she went along) but must be a jolt.

I had totally forgotten about Second Chances. I have some unlocked memory of Holly or Beth shouting, "I've had second, third and fourth chances!" in a big melodramatic moment, possibly fleeing the room. 

I'd forgotten Marcus, Dahlia and Griffin were still there this far into 1998.

You're welcome! Yeah, the clone storyline loses its way here and there and I think the writers were doing so much, they missed a few loose ends that ended up not making sense. It's probably easier seeing those mistakes now when I can watch multiple episodes at a time vs. day to day, back then.

I'm such a big Jesse/Michelle fan, that Drew is not doing it for me haha, but I'm excited to hear the actress gets better and develops in the role. I just got to the July 4th BBQ where she exposed Jesse's nude drawings of Michelle in front of everyone and then denied it like crazy. She's... not my favorite haha.

I also just got to the new David Grant!  He goes off on Griffin for the things that happened with Vivian/Gilly 2 years ago (which seems a bit odd since the Grant family has rarely been seen since then). Griffin seemed to have been relegated to the stock judge role whenever they have court scenes, but seems like they are using him more again, going on a date with Vicky and feuding with Charles/David. Marcus/Dahlia are still barely on though.

I may be misremembering, but didn't the writers not want to tell the clone story? IT was foisted on them and it probably explains why it was so inconsistent and why it felt as if they didn't care much about it, but it was the pet project of Rauch and the network.

9 hours ago, chrisml said:

I may be misremembering, but didn't the writers not want to tell the clone story? IT was foisted on them and it probably explains why it was so inconsistent and why it felt as if they didn't care much about it, but it was the pet project of Rauch and the network.

Even Rauch said that he didn't want to tell the story because it didn't fit the show. He said he and the writers fought against it, lost, and had to tell the best story they could. The hilarious part is, when the shoe's cancelation was announced, so many sites wrote articles. On one news site, viewers wrote in giving their opinions of what led to the cancelation. A lot blamed Rauch because of the clone. Rauch actually jumped on the site and responded with what I wrote at the beginning. Btw, I remember tv guide said that the CBS executive who pushed the story on the show was demoted to the show's writing team when the ratings didn't go on. I have to look for her name

Let me add that it was either Rauch, or someone claiming to be him

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On this day in 1992, the special Ross Election Day Nightmare episode aired.