The problem with Lily is not how "black" she may or may not be. It is that she is written assilly and performed assilly. She's a bore!

I don't mind how she's written. But I do mind how it's performed. Because CK isn't a strong enough actress to make a bad writing into watchable storyline.

For instant I like the first & third Mac. So people think she's a bore but I like how they made a storyline watchable for me. Even though others did't get Mac.

I wish someone would resurrect a retooled Generations even if was only as a web series. I'm tired of hoping current soaps somehow manage to morph into something relevant and entertaining in a multicultural world.

They won't and IMO they never will

Two of my fav actresses Minae Nojii and Kent Masters King

has been treated horridly on GH. No disrespect to Epip actress

but she serves no more than the Beulah/ mammy type wet nurse voice of reason

GH doesn't portray her like they did on NS

they don't have a hot vixen on this show of color....

this is part of the reason they are dying

they do not reflect the world as it is today

Many African Americans who were huge soap viewers walked a long time ago

they got tired of waiting and there is more (excellent) diverse programming out here

they don't have to put up with it ... like back in the day.

I remember my great Aunt saying how come they don't have Negroes on these

shows and went boinkers when the Grays/Halls came on OLTL

I'll never forget her saying "I'd never thought I'd see it in my lifetime"

Unfortunately she didn't get to see the president we use

to argue that would never happen too

I'm re-reading Ellen Holly's (Carla) book "One Life" because the details are fuzzy and if my memory serves

being on OLTL wasn't all sweetness and light...but I do vaguely remember the "Imitation of Life" "Pinky" rip off storyline with some of the criticism of her skin color as well.

Edited September 18, 200916 yr by Cyberologist

I totally understand your post, my best friend is black, and also a Y&R fan, and he has ALWAYS referred to CK as "Little miss white chocolate". I think it's hilarious, acutally. But Wev'e talked about this at length, and we don't pull any punches with each other cause wer'e close. I asked him why it seems so many times that black folks won't watch a show unless black people are on it.... and he tells me it's just a cultural thing. Although the gay part of him will watch an all white show if there is GLAMOUR. Growing up, I watched shows like Good Times and What's Happenning, and enjoyed the HELL out of them... so why is it that the black viewer feel they have to have a black character on a show to want to watch it? And female character romantically involved with a black man? I thought the complaint was that the Winters were too segregated? That's the main thing I don't get. MY friend tells me it's because there are so FEW black couples in daytime, is that the case? I get that it would be for HIM, because he watches 3 soaps, but alot of people only watch ONE.

We don't have enough of black people on TV. So it's somethnig exciting just to see black people working.

I watch white shows who didn't have black people on them. Sabrina the Teenage witch, Boy meets world, Dawson Creek I know Joey sister was married to that black guy but he wasn't shown that much. I don't know if that show was called Blossom. But I loved that show. Blossom, her friend Stevie I believe, her father, & brothers. I watch Smallville. I like Three's Company. I try to catch reruns of that show.

Edited September 18, 200916 yr by MoTheGreat

so why is it that the black viewer feel they have to have a black character on a show to want to watch it?

I think everyone wants to watch shows with people who they identify with on screen. You may have watched and enjoyed shows with black characters, but that doesn't mean all white people do or that some black people don't watch shows with just white characters. But overall, I think people need something they can relate to. It doesn't have to be race, but it has to be something. I often get sick of not seeing many working class people on soaps because characters like Abby and her million dollar horse are a huge turn off to me. At one point Y&R had a lot more characters that various people can identify with, but that has been changing in recent years and not for the better.

I don't see how anyone even hinted these were the definitive characteristics of an identifiable AA character on a soap opera. Things that were mentioned is her lack of interest in any leading AA male character, her lack of fire, her lack of relativity among a bulk of AA audience, and her lack of connection to that side of the character. I'm not of any other race but I can appreciate cultural relativity on an individual level. Not only am I as a viewer and a consumer asking for proper representation in the market of which Brand owners want me to invest in, I want to see diverse interest. My biggest problem with Lily is not even that she's not "black enough" because in a sense there is a good argument for what is and what isn't "black enough" and in another sense there is a good argument for that term being regressive, however the she's not "black enough" argument is highlighted by the backburnering and lack of interest in the other AA characters on the show which ties into the growing urgence of wanting VR back. That makes way for the arguments of Lily not being "black enough", in the eyes of many viewers that argument is valid. As a viewer who happens to be black, I'd much rather and feel more connected to a Dru or a Neil and God help me Devon than I do Lily for many reasons I can begin to list but I do understand and can use that in my arguments as to why I feel Lily isn't "Black enough".

Amen!

If CK was black enough the black audience woudln't be leaving. The black audience wouldn't be crying for VR return. CK is lacking what black audience is wanting from a Dru or a Malcolm. OR to even CK blandness with hiring somebody else that have more fire.

Since you don't understand why to keep trying to understand. The black viewers like me said she isn't black enough to keep her own self interesting if she didn't have one of her white hopes. A black viewer like me say she isn't black enough to keep bland, boring Niel or Devon interesting because she also bland & boring. She would have been better off as some white person child this way she doesn't have to live up to what the black audience wants from a black character or as Dru & Malcolm daughter.

The bitch isn't black enough get over it. I don't care if you don't understand & don't care to understand. I'm tired of writers telling me who to except in a black role because the white audience who we are writing for.

Exactly!

She doesn't have to, but when she's had only white bf's it's completely unrealistic that her family wouldn't ask her what's up. Y&R can pretend that we are living in a color blind society, but all of us living in the real world know that is not the case. When Y&R pretends otherwise it rings very false and shallow. They are too afraid to take these issues head on and deal with them realistically. It's too bad because it's an opportunity to challenge viewers to be more open minded, but Y&R would rather bury their heads in the sand and pretend these issues don't exist at all.

INDEED!

Black viewers complain about why black characters in their own little world on soaps. & here we have Lily who can interact with all the other cast memebers not just her black family. & also get to have meaningful sotrylines. This where CK not black enough comes into play for black viewers who can't watch her.

Another problem with CKLily only dating whites is they all done her wrong but she'll be looking for next white Prince Charming. Somebody should to CKLily that Prince Charming comes in other nationalties.

Yep.

They won't and IMO they never will

Two of my fav actresses Minae Nojii and Kent Masters King

has been treated horridly on GH. No disrespect to Epip actress

but she serves no more than the Beulah/ mammy type wet nurse voice of reason

GH doesn't portray her like they did on NS

they don't have a hot vixen on this show of color....

this is part of the reason they are dying

they do not reflect the world as it is today

Many African Americans who were huge soap viewers walked a long time ago

they got tired of waiting and there is more (excellent) diverse programming out here

they don't have to put up with it ... like back in the day.

I remember my great Aunt saying how come they don't have Negroes on these

shows and went boinkers when the Grays/Halls came on OLTL

I'll never forget her saying "I'd never thought I'd see it in my lifetime"

Unfortunately she didn't get to see the president we use

to argue that would never happen too

I'm re-reading Ellen Holly's (Carla) book "One Life" because the details are fuzzy and if my memory serves

being on OLTL wasn't all sweetness and light...but I do vaguely remember the "Imitation of Life" "Pinky" rip off storyline with some of the criticism of her skin color as well.

Yes!!!

At one point Y&R had a lot more characters that various people can identify with, but that has been changing in recent years and not for the better.

Maria's groundbreaking gay stories were a diversity boon to Daytime!

For whatever unfathomable reason white women with black men is the thing that really sets the haters off.

White men with black women does too but involves a healthy degree of sexism.

Edited September 18, 200916 yr by DeeeDee

Maria's groundbreaking gay stories were a diversity boon to Daytime!

It's sad really. I just could not relate to P2 at all, although I do to Rafe. As a woman I find it pretty easy to relate to someone who has been used and done wrong by some jackass. Too bad Rafe is never on. Y&R just squanders one opportunity after another.

Y&R just squanders one opportunity after another.

Pretty much.

has been treated horridly on GH. No disrespect to Epip actress

but she serves no more than the Beulah/ mammy type wet nurse voice of reason

GH doesn't portray her like they did on NS

they don't have a hot vixen on this show of color...

YES! Agreed 1000%. When I saw Epiphany and the dialogue and the way they write for her and the way Sonya Eddy plays her, I immediately thought of Beulah.

I got this on another board saying that CK denies ever saying that about quitting if VR comes back, it's originally from her(CK)Twitter saying, That it's up to Maria not the cast

and no I'm not following CK on her twiiter( which I'm also a member of ) I saw it on SOC

And I believe CK. I never bought into VR's accusations. All she is doing is justifying to TPTB why they are right not to rehire her. MAB does not want her back. No point VR pointing figures at the cast. If the cast had much power, they would not be taking pay cuts. Even EB according to Daytime Confidential is resisting taking the pay cut they are asking him to take.

If the cast had much power, they would not be taking pay cuts.

Mel Scott didn't.

YES! Agreed 1000%. When I saw Epiphany and the dialogue and the way they write for her and the way Sonya Eddy plays her, I immediately thought of Beulah.

Is Lando still on GH?

Mel Scott didn't.

I don't believe that for the second. However, if she did not, then she must be the most powerful cast member and one keeping VR off Y&R because everyone else has been forced to take a pay cut so far and even EB is being asked to take one.

I don't believe that for the second. However, if she did not, then she must be the most powerful cast member and one keeping VR off Y&R because everyone else has been forced to take a pay cut so far and even EB is being asked to take one.

She may not have take the cut they wanted her to take, but it's hard to believe she didn't take some kind of cut.