That's Hamner's job, if I understood correctly. Supervision of scriptwriters and final editing...

Whereas the loyal viewers will continue to watch and hope for a better writing team.

With this show, loyalty kind of stops being a virtue. Loyal to a show that offends you and disrespects you... Is that loyalty or something else?

It seems a lot of old time viewers are abandoning the show while new viewers from other shows who are used to the kind of stuff Y&R is serving are enjoying it. I've seen so many "I'm a _____ viewer or used to be a ________ viewer and am new to Y&R and really enjoy it and don't see why so many are complaining." type of posts over this past year or more in various places.

That's been going on since Jack Smith.

That's Hamner's job, if I understood correctly. Supervision of scriptwriters and final editing...

With this show, loyalty kind of stops being a virtue. Loyal to a show that offends you and disrespects you... Is that loyalty or something else?

It's like having an abusive relationship with a show.

That's been going on since Jack Smith.

I said or more.....

I said or more.....

Touche!

But seriously guys, if some of you feel it's inappropriate to comment if I don't actually watch the entire episode, I wouldn't mind not commenting here (after all, everyone says it's much different reading what's up and actually watching the entire thing).

Actually I do watch Chloe on Youtube. I justl ike to complain about how CK just doesn't fit as a Winters & Baber. But I love me so Chloe.

Everybody wants a change of writers and I agree. I don't think Maria will go anywhere unless Y&R falls off its' perch as No. 1 in the ratings.

I think it would be more realistic to hope that Sheffer and Hamner would go.

She has so very good sub-writers. Beth Milstein and the incoming Anne Schoettle were great at Days of Our Lives when they followed Jim Reilly. Natalie Slater and Janice Esser have a lot of history with the show. Any of the four would make great replacements.

Hamner and Sheffer should never work in daytime again.

For anyone who reads other message boards, have you heard this theory:

Chance staged the robbery in order to impress Chloe.

I know viewers complained about Chance being boring, but can the writers come up with a way to spice Chance up without doing that.

It wouldn't surprise me, there is no such thing as consistent character writing on Y&R anymore. This writing team seems to make everything up as they go along.

It wouldn't surprise me, there is no such thing as consistent character writing on Y&R anymore. This writing team seems to make everything up as they go along.

All in all just another brick falling out of the wall. A wall that was nothing other than a facade, a fake front of competency

Double post...

Edited December 6, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

I posted this in the one of the spoiler threads, but it's probably better here:

The arrogance of all the members of this current writing team at Y&R astounds me. It's like they want us to buy any and everything that comes from them, no matter how stupid, illogical, unnecessary, overdone, boring, and poorly executed it is from the start and in the day to day writing. It's like they blame the fans for them not having the ability to tell a story or come up with one that's decent. I've never felt such contempt for the fans from this show, at least Latham was blissfully oblivious to how much people hated her product, this writing team seems intent on making fans unhappy and forcing some anti-soap agenda at this show. Y&R can't even get basic soap elements like long-term plotting, pacing, and developing relationships right anymore.

It starts at the top with Maria Arena Bell, yes, but it seems to have penetrated that whole writing team, given how consistently bad most of the day to day writing is these days. It seems like the writing team at Y&R created some hype in their minds and they're buying into it.

The current horrible condition of Y&R is not because "daytime is dying." It's because these people don't even know how to plot a frigging story or come up with consistent character writing. Again, this show fails at very basic soap opera elements, and that's not because the genre is "dying." I bet they use the "daytime is dying" excuse to believe the crap they turn out is ingenuous and people who dislike it are clearly wrong, it's never their fault for why the show sucks so bad creatively.

Edited December 6, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

There's always one excuse or another for why Y&R is so grindingly mediocre now. I think the truth is that no one involved cares. Everyone involved has either driven soaps to near cancellation point, or have not even been involved in daytime for decades. MAB got her press for saving Y&R and preserving Bill Bell's legacy, and she got to push her vanity projects. Hamner gets his lazy, boring "mysteries." Sheffer gets to trash women in every conceivable vile manner, show us cruelty to animals, peddle lunatics, and push his "men with balls," antiheroes who destroy all they touch yet are supposed to be our objects of pity. Rauch gets to make the cast white as snow, and treat women like bimbos, and push the psycho of the month.

That's all Y&R is to them. A dumping ground for their issues. And I guess as long as Sony can continue to slash the actors' salaries and make the show look cheaper and cheaper, they don't care about who is actually running the show.

It's all just so lazy.

They are going to do ANOTHER version of Billy gets information about Victoria's affair and publishes it to honor Colleen.

There's always one excuse or another for why Y&R is so grindingly mediocre now. I think the truth is that no one involved cares.

Yes, I said something similar here.

Everybody wants a change of writers and I agree. I don't think Maria will go anywhere unless Y&R falls off its' perch as No. 1 in the ratings.

I think it would be more realistic to hope that Sheffer and Hamner would go.

This is what I've been saying all along. Maria isn't going anywhere. Fans would be much more likely to get results if they were clamoring for Sheffer and Hamner to be fired and left Maria's name out of it.

(Not that I think the writing in the last month or two has been bad at all.)