Members AbcNbc247 Posted October 6, 2021 Members Share Posted October 6, 2021 Apparently, it was a network/P&G mandate that Steve/Alice/Rachel had to be revived once JC returned to the show full time and Lemay came on as head writer. He did write Steve and Alice’s first wedding though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members amybrickwallace Posted October 6, 2021 Members Share Posted October 6, 2021 He didn't write both? Wasn't their second wedding the first hour-long episode? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AbcNbc247 Posted October 6, 2021 Members Share Posted October 6, 2021 Yes to both of your questions. Somewhere on AWHP is an audio clip of the episode 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members amybrickwallace Posted October 6, 2021 Members Share Posted October 6, 2021 Thank you!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Nicholas Blair Posted October 7, 2021 Members Share Posted October 7, 2021 Of course, for The Bold and the Beautiful that would have been par for the course! I'm a little hazy about this, but I definitely remembered that under Lemay they brought back Walter Matthews as Gerald Davis to encourage Rachel by saying things like, "Would you rather be Mrs. Ted Clark or Mrs. Steven Frame?" As if Rachel needed any encouragement! Lemay noted in his book that Stephen Bolster (Ted Clark) told him how he kept getting mail from fans who wanted Ted paired up with Alice. Lemay knew this wasn't so, because he had access to the mail, but he couldn't blame Bolster for trying, because it was clear how the storyline was going to go. Alice precipitated her breakup with Steve by misunderstanding a conversation she heard between Steve and Rachel. Steve had been with Rachel talking about Jamie when Alice fell off a ladder (I think), precipitating a miscarriage, and Steve wasn't there to send for help in time. Alice understood him to mean he had been with Rachel sexually, so instead of confronting him she behaved like a soap opera heroine and took off for parts unknown. Rachel then eventually took advantage of the situation. Many thanks to everyone who has access to the timelines and cast and character lists. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Xanthe Posted October 7, 2021 Members Share Posted October 7, 2021 Oh, that's a pity. I was hoping it was another legit variant. Speaking of variants, I have been sucked a bit too far into the Tanquir rabbithole to see how it varies from soap to soap. Someone has listed it as a "Mediterranean kingdom" on the Wikipedia entry for fictional countries. It's definitely Arab/Muslim for the debut of Texas, but what I have seen on GL so far is much vaguer and chiefly focused on archaeology. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members amybrickwallace Posted October 7, 2021 Members Share Posted October 7, 2021 AW would have been way before their time!! Please register in order to view this content 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members amybrickwallace Posted October 7, 2021 Members Share Posted October 7, 2021 Lisa Peluso will be on Alan Locher's show next Friday. Details on the SFT thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Nicholas Blair Posted October 8, 2021 Members Share Posted October 8, 2021 AW in the 60s made one of those classic bad writing decisions, which illustrates this rule: "Don't kill off a beloved character until you're sure you have something interesting as a replacement." Irna, presumably, made the decision to kill off Lee Randolph (Barbara Rodell) to illustrate the dangers of taking LSD. Lee, having had LSD dropped in her drink, ultimately (after many twists I won't detail here) has an LSD flashback, wrecks her car, and is killed. Fans were upset because Barbara Rodell was popular, and she and Jordan Charney (as Sam Lucas) were a popular couple. Even after Sam had married Lahoma (Ann Wedgeworth) because Lee was concerned about that any child of hers might have birth defects, fans expected Sam and Lee to get together eventually. Wrong. The grieving father, John Randolph (Michael M. Ryan), then got to know the Mason family: the mother, Anne, was a department store executive (I think), implicitly criticized very harshly for having a career instead of looking after her teenage daughter Emily. It's unclear where this story was ultimately to have gone. Anne died of a heart attack, John became Emily's guardian, and apparently Emily was going to be a substitute daughter. Unfortunately, Emily bored the pants off most of the viewers, who resented her space on the screen in place of Lee. Emily was sent off to boarding school or one of those other dumping grounds for unwanted soap characters, and she was never heard of again. When Agnes Nixon recycled pretty much the entire LSD story on OLTL, she made one very important change: Cathy Craig, unlike Lee Randolph, was not killed off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paul Raven Posted October 8, 2021 Author Members Share Posted October 8, 2021 irna was long gone by this stage. I believe Cenedella was writing at this point. The plots that appeared when Nixon's stories (which he inherited)began to run dry showed that Cenedella didn't have the same skills as his predecessor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members amybrickwallace Posted October 8, 2021 Members Share Posted October 8, 2021 Per AWHP, he was. He was headwriter from February 1969 to August 1971, and Lee was killed off in May 1969. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Nicholas Blair Posted October 8, 2021 Members Share Posted October 8, 2021 Thanks for the timeline info. The fact that Agnes Nixon recycled the LSD story on OLTL so closely makes me wonder if this was one of her stories. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Paul Raven Posted October 8, 2021 Author Members Share Posted October 8, 2021 (edited) Well this was a time when 'relevance' was one of the soap trends. I think Love of Life had a 'drugs on campus' story around that time. Didn't Tom Hughes have a drug issue also around this time on ATWT? Edited October 8, 2021 by Paul Raven 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AbcNbc247 Posted October 8, 2021 Members Share Posted October 8, 2021 (edited) Taking it back to Cenedella, it was a big mistake to kill off Lee, and then Bill the following year. Bill and Missy were basically AW’s first supercouple and to just abruptly end them like that did the fans a disservice. Lee could have driven story for years as well, and it always sounded to me like the Emily Mason story was really boring. But the whole LSD storyline is one that I would love to see. The way the storylines transitioned into one another back then sounds genius. Same goes for the Danny Fargo saga, and how Liz was able to help Walter send Missy to prison for his murder. Edited October 8, 2021 by AbcNbc247 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vetsoapfan Posted October 8, 2021 Members Share Posted October 8, 2021 It was definitely James Gerald. He was named after bother his grandfathers: Jim Matthews and Gerald Davis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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