11 minutes ago, Mona Kane Croft said:

Interesting comment.  In my opinion, Harding Lemay (in 1988) essentially turned Lisa into Alice Matthews, Vicki into Rachel Davis, and Jamie into Steve Frame.  In other words, Lemay was building a long-term romantic triangle, which could have gone on for several years. Sadly, Donna Swajeski didn't know how to write (or even continue) a long-term romance.  So she broke-up Jamie and Lisa rather quickly, and sent Jamie nearly 100 percent into Vicki's orbit. Big mistake, in my opinion.      

Wasn't Joanna Going already leaving by the point where Jamie and Vicky became a proper couple?

I don't think Swajeski had any real interest in Vicky and Jamie as a couple either. Vicky had no true romance under her pen until Ryan, although I did enjoy her [!@#$%^&*] buddy relationship with Evan.

I do wonder if they were considering recasting Lisa, as the whole daughter retcon with Felicia happened not long after she left, and they also had some Matt/Lisa interaction.

Edited December 22, 2024Dec 22 by DRW50

1 minute ago, DRW50 said:

Wasn't Joanna Going already leaving by the point where Jamie and Vicky became a proper couple?

I don't think Swajeski had any real interest in Vicky and Jamie as a couple either. Vicky had no true romance under her pen until Ryan, although I did enjoy her [!@#$%^&*] buddy relationship with Evan.

To me Jamie was an acquisition. Evan wasn't really anything. Ryan, though, that was the real deal. 

7 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

To me Jamie was an acquisition. Evan wasn't really anything. Ryan, though, that was the real deal. 

Perfect description.

39 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Wasn't Joanna Going already leaving by the point where Jamie and Vicky became a proper couple?

I don't think Swajeski had any real interest in Vicky and Jamie as a couple either. Vicky had no true romance under her pen until Ryan, although I did enjoy her [!@#$%^&*] buddy relationship with Evan.

I do wonder if they were considering recasting Lisa, as the whole daughter retcon with Felicia happened not long after she left, and they also had some Matt/Lisa interaction.

I remember reading an interview with Donna Swajeski where she said the triangle would have ended differently if Joanna Going had stayed.

14 minutes ago, Efulton said:

I remember reading an interview with Donna Swajeski where she said the triangle would have ended differently if Joanna Going had stayed.

Thanks. I'm not surprised.

For all the show seemed to think of Lisa and Jamie (just look at their heavy use in the opening credits), they are a very dull, forgettable couple. I don't even know what story you could have for them beyond my wishing Lisa had learned about the time her aunt had tried to get into the hottest Jamie's pants. 

@Xanthe

 

 

Maisie's attacker, circa May 8, 1986

 

 

He said the video will be up early in the week!

 

I'm sure the Missy Brennan scene was a back in the crowd deal.

 

I remember reading Joanna Going saying in an interview that she was the last soap actress to only be given a 2 year contract and that actresses after her were required to sign for her. Don't know how accurate that is, but she was not going to sign for another year, so don't know why they invested so much time if she was not going to be there long-term. Makes no sense to me. Her character was used to cause so much damage, and for what? Could have used time and story on other characters with much more potential. As DRW50 says, Jamie and Lisa were so dull. Am I misremembering or didn't the show try to pair Lisa and Adam at one point? 

41 minutes ago, chrisml said:

I remember reading Joanna Going saying in an interview that she was the last soap actress to only be given a 2 year contract and that actresses after her were required to sign for her. Don't know how accurate that is, but she was not going to sign for another year, so don't know why they invested so much time if she was not going to be there long-term. Makes no sense to me. Her character was used to cause so much damage, and for what? Could have used time and story on other characters with much more potential. As DRW50 says, Jamie and Lisa were so dull. Am I misremembering or didn't the show try to pair Lisa and Adam at one point? 

Adam had a crush on her. They did seem to be pushing for more (I imagine it would have been a quad) if he had stayed. I assume he, Cheryl and Scott were all let go - their departures all felt rushed.

Lisa probably should have left after the end of the Sin Stalker story.

4 hours ago, DRW50 said:

Adam had a crush on her. They did seem to be pushing for more (I imagine it would have been a quad) if he had stayed. I assume he, Cheryl and Scott were all let go - their departures all felt rushed.

Lisa probably should have left after the end of the Sin Stalker story.

Adam was at a loose end after MJ left town and showed interest in both Lisa and Victoria at different points in time. But neither interest was developed into anything.

Presumably if Sally Spencer had not been fired or if they had recast MJ they had intended to have a triangle of Adam, Chad, and MJ, maybe a quadrangle with Sara. But without MJ that didn't happen, and honestly based on the way the storyline had played out up to that point that's for the best.

I can also understand that Adam wasn't really as compelling as adding Jake and then Marley to the Vicky/Jamie storyline. And prior to that Jake had been presented as an essentially decent guy in order to be worthy of Marley -- not as pure and virtuous as Adam, but good enough for a bad boy. But when Vicky's life blew up over Steven's paternity, both his history with Vicky and his bad boy edge had more impact than white knight Adam.

Jamie in this era was hard to root for so I don't think I had a rooting interest in the Lisa/Jamie/Vicky triangle. Why should I care who wins the stodgy doctor? 

Another World December 22 1988

 

In the Cory Publishing building we had a pre-Christmas party where everyone was having fun, sort of. Julie Ann and officer Rick had a cold and brief run-in, where a lot of racist undertones were coming to light. I empathize with Julie Ann and think that Rick acted completely inappropriate and absurd at her family house and later... at the Snowflake ball. So... I respect that she is not excusing his behavior. Good for her! 

Iris tried to seduce Michael once again... and she failed miserably! If I got a cent every time someone gave that woman the cold shoulder... I'll be a millionaire. Later in the evening gigolo Evan confronted Iris about her acting distant towards him. Well, dude, do you forget you are nothing but an escort to her?! Escorts rarely get special treatment after they are no longer needed... for service. So... NEXT.

Well... Vince was right! Mary did indeed get in trouble for helping Pilara. She stole Mary's treasured silver candlestick!!!!!!!! After Mary specifically told her how important it is to her. Ugh, I've been in a similar situation where I've helped a person... who later stole from me... so this is bringing so much nasty memories. It's the most horrible position to be in... and makes you not able to trust again for a long time. And I do not excuse stealing with... being in trouble... or in a bad situation with her abusive boyfriend. I just don't. That's my personal choice. 

We also had trouble in Sharlene's house... when it was discovered that the necklace that was found after the ball... was not the one Josie lost. The mother-daughter duo are going to have a BIG problem. Rachel gave them this necklace and told them it's a very sentimental in the family, not only very expensive. Josie should have been more careful! I completely blame her  and I think Sharlene not telling her that the necklace is still lost is a... sign these two are having toxic co-dependency. Sharlene, are you going to fall every time your daughter falls?!! Let her feel the consequences of her irresponsibility!  

Overall... it was a GREAT episode. Not the most exciting one, but not every episode can be fireworks and drama. 

I still give it 9/10.

Favorite moment - Iris trying to seduce Michael.

 

26 minutes ago, Maxim said:

Another World December 22 1988

 

In the Cory Publishing building we had a pre-Christmas party where everyone was having fun, sort of. Julie Ann and officer Rick had a cold and brief run-in, where a lot of racist undertones were coming to light. I empathize with Julie Ann and think that Rick acted completely inappropriate and absurd at her family house and later... at the Snowflake ball. So... I respect that she is not excusing his behavior. Good for her! 

Iris tried to seduce Michael once again... and she failed miserably! If I got a cent every time someone gave that woman the cold shoulder... I'll be a millionaire. Later in the evening gigolo Evan confronted Iris about her acting distant towards him. Well, dude, do you forget you are nothing but an escort to her?! Escorts rarely get special treatment after they are no longer needed... for service. So... NEXT.

Well... Vince was right! Mary did indeed get in trouble for helping Pilara. She stole Mary's treasured silver candlestick!!!!!!!! After Mary specifically told her how important it is to her. Ugh, I've been in a similar situation where I've helped a person... who later stole from me... so this is bringing so much nasty memories. It's the most horrible position to be in... and makes you not able to trust again for a long time. And I do not excuse stealing with... being in trouble... or in a bad situation with her abusive boyfriend. I just don't. That's my personal choice. 

We also had trouble in Sharlene's house... when it was discovered that the necklace that was found after the ball... was not the one Josie lost. The mother-daughter duo are going to have a BIG problem. Rachel gave them this necklace and told them it's a very sentimental in the family, not only very expensive. Josie should have been more careful! I completely blame her  and I think Sharlene not telling her that the necklace is still lost is a... sign these two are having toxic co-dependency. Sharlene, are you going to fall every time your daughter falls?!! Let her feel the consequences of her irresponsibility!  

Overall... it was a GREAT episode. Not the most exciting one, but not every episode can be fireworks and drama. 

I still give it 9/10.

Favorite moment - Iris trying to seduce Michael.

 

Good for Micheal! I know he's shaming Iris, but she's asking for it. She really has a lot of nerve trying this with him over & over. I mean he's been clear. No mixed signals, none at all. I even find it difficult to imagine that time in the past when they apparently had a thing. 

 

53 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

I even find it difficult to imagine that time in the past when they apparently had a thing. 

 

I know we had a clip posted not long ago of a flashback where Michael "rescued" her from a man she wasn't excited about and the vibe felt really off to me. It would probably have made more sense with Carmen's Iris to have suggested that it was business that had brought them together, but they really stressed the Riviera (wasn't that Josie's teen phone hotline nickname as well?) and romance aspect which I found unconvincing. 

Edited December 22, 2024Dec 22 by Xanthe

21 minutes ago, Xanthe said:

I know we had a clip posted not long ago of a flashback where Michael "rescued" her from a man she wasn't excited about and the vibe felt really off to me. It would probably have made more sense with Carmen's Iris to have suggested that it was business that had brought them together, but they really stressed the Riviera (wasn't that Josie's teen phone hotline nickname as well?) and romance aspect which I found unconvincing. 

Yes, that was Josie's handle. Sorta funny. What was Matt's? Was it Captain something?

I agree that a business connection would have been far more convincing. 

Edited December 22, 2024Dec 22 by Contessa Donatella
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4 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Yes, that was Josie's handle. Sorta funny. What was Matt's? Was it Captain something?

Captain Cool

5 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Captain Cool

YES!! I knew it was something like that.