My Y&R was cut off because of Swine flu coverage.

Move along, people, nothing here to see.

Edited April 27, 200917 yr by Khan

As Yoda would say: Sand falling through unclenched fist, meaning is.

Snort, literally.

My Y&R was cut off because of Swine flu coverage.

Thank heavens for the legal streams. That said, this swine flu is slightly scary only because it seems to be killing YOUNG people--not just old folks. Let's see how this goes.

Jana's the next to go loopy ("temporary insanity" will undoubtedly constitute the bedrock of Michael's legal defense). I'm putting money on that.

Gloria managed to duck the tainted-cream debacle (and that still burns me, much as I love Judith Chapman). But no doubt schemes involving tiresome Jabot shares and the itch to attain wealth beyond her wildest dreams will propel her into court again. But, of course, it won't REALLY be her fault! It will be Jack's. Or Jeffrey's. Poor, innocent Gloria. Always being taken for a ride by those nefarious men! etcetera.

I don't have a problem with the B-Fs being bad. I have a problem with their never owning up to their badness. I'll put Michael and Lauren to the side of this debate for now as I do think Michael has atoned for some past sins. But he is walking a thin line.

Copying this over from the older thread, since this is really about this week.

Why does Gloria NEED to sincerely atone? Why can't she be the reckless bad girl who consistently makes wrong choices?

For me, part of Gloria's charm has been her inability to acknowledge her wrongness. Most of the time, she feels justified. That capacity for self-delusion is fascinating.

Indeed, that is why I am concerned if she starts confessing. Because then she loses the protective envelope of "I felt justified".

Oh well, it doesn't matter. Gloria could turn into the GC serial killer and, if JC plays her, I'd likely give her a pass.

Actually, that last sentence is a trigger for me: I see why the Baldwin boys give her a pass, because I am similarly enchanted by her.

The fact is that we don't want to see either of the four trying to fix their crimes again. But we all know it's going to happen in the near future. As soon as they all becoming normal, people start rambling that they've lost their charm.

The fact is that we don't want to see either of the four trying to fix their crimes again. But we all know it's going to happen in the near future. As soon as they all becoming normal, people start rambling that they've lost their charm.

rambling

rambling

What?

I'm typing this while watching another show, so I'm not fully concentrated on this.

What?

I'm typing this while watching another show, so I'm not fully concentrated on this.

It's not the word, it is that it connotes a sort of irritation with people who want to see "edgier" B-Fs. Enjoy the show, we'll talk later.

Enough "big words" from me. Back to "talking."

I still prefer her over Cane. That's saying A LOT.

That man is absolutely horrific. Ugh.

Couldn't agree more.

I still prefer her over Cane. That's saying A LOT.

That man is absolutely horrific. Ugh.

In an ideal world they'd both be in a trash compactor, but yes.... sadly I also agree.

.......Why does Gloria NEED to sincerely atone? Why can't she be the reckless bad girl who consistently makes wrong choices?

For me, part of Gloria's charm has been her inability to acknowledge her wrongness. Most of the time, she feels justified. That capacity for self-delusion is fascinating.

I see why the Baldwin boys give her a pass, because I am similarly enchanted by her.

Glo never seriously atones for anything and she is the only person deluded into thinking that she has. She is the ultimate grifter and her sense of justification fits right into that profile. Her sons forgive her because of some perceived past injustice that has been heaped upon her by River, Tom or who ever.

I can see TIIC changing her back story to "having been abandoned and given away by her mother upteen years ago", instead of letting her be. This of course would be a shame because every good series needs a villian who creates mayhem--just because.

Glo never seriously atones for anything and she is the only person deluded into thinking that she has. She is the ultimate grifter and her sense of justification fits right into that profile. Her sons forgive her because of some perceived past injustice that has been heaped upon her by River, Tom or who ever.

I can see TIIC changing her back story to "having been abandoned and given away by her mother upteen years ago", instead of letting her be. This of course would be a shame because every good series needs a villian who creates mayhem--just because.

I agree. So I take it you're okay with Gloria too?

I don't have a problem with the B-Fs being bad. I have a problem with their never owning up to their badness. I'll put Michael and Lauren to the side of this debate for now as I do think Michael has atoned for some past sins. But he is walking a thin line.

I think that's the problem too. That they never own up to it. And it would be so much more of a pleasure to watch if they never owned up to it in a sinister way, as if they were doing evil and saying, "Yeah, I'm a bada** mofo. I got my lawyer and no one can touch me," instead of, "Woe is me. I can't help but be greedy. It's an addiction, like alcohol. But it's a good thing I got my son to intervene whenever I fall off the 'Gecco' wagon."

I don't want to feel sorry for villains; especially ones who never learn. And if they never learn, have them commit crimes over something they really can't help (like avenging a rape or a murder) or commit crimes that aren't felonies for once?

Darn it.

At the end of the day, Gloria and her "little helpers" are way better than various characters on that show, IMO, which I won't name just because today I'm tired of writing their name down.