on Friday Nelson Branco maked a shocking claim in his weekly Suds Report that Bloom killed the deal of former Y&R head writers Jack Smith and Kay Alden taking over AMC to me this make's no sense. why would Brian Frons allow AMC executive Julie Hanan Carruthers to fire them if it ment making AMC a success and also it would be a way to stick it to Bloom and CBS. Nelson Branco logic makes no sense and I don't belive his claims.

after all the talent stealing Frons has done to CBS and same with Bloom I don't belive for one second Brian would let Smith an Alden go becuase Carruthers said so plus Frons has the last say in all ABC soaps.

if your looking for the real reason why both Jack Smith and Kay Alden never took over AMC is because these two are from the school of Bill Bell and they have loyalties to the Bell family and both were asked to join B&B. plus im sure if they were asked to take over AMC it would have to relocate to NY where most ABC show's are taped.

don't forget folks as much as we rip Brian Frons and Barbra Bloom these two need to keep these soaps alive in order to keep thier jobs. GL is an exception because ratings dictated it was doomed no matter what nothing could of saved GL with the exception for the resuection of William J Bell lol.

any ways just my opition of Nelsons claim. what do you all think do you belive Nelson Branco claim?

But really, I don't see how the hell Julie Hanan Carruthers can have that much inflence on who Brian Frons wants to hire to HW his shows, it doesn't make sense to me. Julie is obviously nothing more than a yes woman at AMC...

You're absolutely right, JHC, like all ABC EP's has little power.

very interesting topic! has anybody read the kay alden bible for amc? i noe people have referenced it as terrible but it would an awesome read....

a gay storyline will happen on the B&B before Y&R

:lol:

What? Not going to happen. I must say, when I read that I pictured Brooke chasing after Felicia. :lol: Considering she's already gone through all of the Forrester men.

Like Jack said, B&B revolves around the same four people.

I remember a Kay Alden interview where she stated she wanted to keep Danny on the show and get him involved with Callie in a music storyline,but Bill Bell nixed it,feeling the character had run it's course.

That was in 98,shortly after Alden took over.So,at that point Bell still had overall approval.

Prior to that,the two had worked together for years,so maybe it was only a slight shift.Kay might have had a lot of input before officially taking over.

Nelson got this story wrong...I do like his column because he can be such a shrieking bitch.

Jack was hired by Frons to consult on GH since Jack lives/lived in LA (he also has a house in Hawaii)...Kay was hired by Frons to consult on AMC and OLTL. Kay DID submit a bible for AMC to Frons but he turned it down. Some say it was terrible, some say it was vet focused. I've never seen it...but it existed. Both Kay and Jack were paid INSANE money to consult at ABC, yet their opinions were roundly dismissed by Frons. Not one thing they suggested went into production.

Kay phoned Brad and asked for a job at B&B. Brad said yes. Brad then phoned Jack Smith and offered him a job, Jack said yes. Kay is not the Co-HW in a creative sense. She drafts the breakdown arcs for the storylines and edits. Jack writes scripts.

Kay was HW, 'solo', from 1999-2002. In those three years Bill Bell was in fine shape and he had a huge role in how the show was written, if you hated the Sperm Swap then guess what, you hated a Bill Bell storyline. As Bill's health deteriorated, Jack Smith was brought over (Alden and Scott hated each other, Scott was fired, Shaughnessy and later Smith became EP)...Bill died in 2005 and sh*t hit the fan with that hack bitch from the depths of hell LML after Sony wrangled creative control from the Bells. The Bells regained creative control in 2007 under MAB.

Thanks for that info DaytimeFan!

Two questions:

1.) Does anyone know anything about Kay's bible? I wonder if it really was good, but in Frons eyes, it wasn't.

2.) How did Sony get creative control away from the Bell's?

Thanks for that info DaytimeFan!

Two questions:

1.) Does anyone know anything about Kay's bible? I wonder if it really was good, but in Frons eyes, it wasn't.

2.) How did Sony get creative control away from the Bell's?

1) No idea about Kay's bible. I've never seen it, I hear it was awful, I also hear it was great. Who knows.

2) Essentially, Sony is the majority owner of Y&R, but the Bells, with Corday's 1% own a very sizeable share, think of it like 59% Sony, 40% Bell and 1% Corday...I don't know the exact figures, but it's similar to that. Bill had an agreement with Screen Gems (which became Columbia, then Tristar, then Sony as well as a few other names) that he had control until his death. His death, in 2005, set in motion Sony vs Bell in which Sony felt it could do a better job than anyone associated with the Bells could. The ratings had declined, like the rest of daytime, so Sony somehow believed that they could fix it. Sally Sussman Morina and that hack bitch from the depths of hell LML were both brought on around this time and were given shots at consulting. SSM had support from the Bells and Sony (she had worked with Bill in the 80s and she'd previously HW at DAYS with some success ratings wise) while LML had the support of Sony and Barbara Bloom. In the end, that hack bitch from the depths of hell LML was brought aboard and she systematically blew out almost everyone associated with the Bells while attempting to transform Y&R into Knots Landing 2.0.

We all know how well THAT went. At the end of 2007, the Bells took a meeting with Sony, demanding that they be awarded creative control again, citing how the ratings and budget had fallen apart. Fortunately for the Bells, the Nielsen surveys had come in shortly before, reflecting a widespread distaste for the show among the fans. Since DAYS was also bursting at the seams, Sony decided to put their energies at DAYS since it was clear to them that the Bells meant business and had successfully run the show for nearly 35 years and capitulated, awarding an agreement to the Bells that ensured their creative control over the series. The WGA strike so fortuitously occurred at this time so Sony did the strike and fired that hack bitch from the depths of hell LML and MAB was installed as Co-HW the next day.

1) No idea about Kay's bible. I've never seen it, I hear it was awful, I also hear it was great. Who knows.

2) Essentially, Sony is the majority owner of Y&R, but the Bells, with Corday's 1% own a very sizeable share, think of it like 59% Sony, 40% Bell and 1% Corday...I don't know the exact figures, but it's similar to that. Bill had an agreement with Screen Gems (which became Columbia, then Tristar, then Sony as well as a few other names) that he had control until his death. His death, in 2005, set in motion Sony vs Bell in which Sony felt it could do a better job than anyone associated with the Bells could. The ratings had declined, like the rest of daytime, so Sony somehow believed that they could fix it. Sally Sussman Morina and that hack bitch from the depths of hell LML were both brought on around this time and were given shots at consulting. SSM had support from the Bells and Sony (she had worked with Bill in the 80s and she'd previously HW at DAYS with some success ratings wise) while LML had the support of Sony and Barbara Bloom. In the end, that hack bitch from the depths of hell LML was brought aboard and she systematically blew out almost everyone associated with the Bells while attempting to transform Y&R into Knots Landing 2.0.

We all know how well THAT went. At the end of 2007, the Bells took a meeting with Sony, demanding that they be awarded creative control again, citing how the ratings and budget had fallen apart. Fortunately for the Bells, the Nielsen surveys had come in shortly before, reflecting a widespread distaste for the show among the fans. Since DAYS was also bursting at the seams, Sony decided to put their energies at DAYS since it was clear to them that the Bells meant business and had successfully run the show for nearly 35 years and capitulated, awarding an agreement to the Bells that ensured their creative control over the series. The WGA strike so fortuitously occurred at this time so Sony did the strike and fired that hack bitch from the depths of hell LML and MAB was installed as Co-HW the next day.

Thank you for that back story, Daytime Fan. I'm glad Sony and the Bell's came to an agreement and it didn't turn into some ugly battle.

1) No idea about Kay's bible. I've never seen it, I hear it was awful, I also hear it was great. Who knows.

2) Essentially, Sony is the majority owner of Y&R, but the Bells, with Corday's 1% own a very sizeable share, think of it like 59% Sony, 40% Bell and 1% Corday...I don't know the exact figures, but it's similar to that. Bill had an agreement with Screen Gems (which became Columbia, then Tristar, then Sony as well as a few other names) that he had control until his death. His death, in 2005, set in motion Sony vs Bell in which Sony felt it could do a better job than anyone associated with the Bells could. The ratings had declined, like the rest of daytime, so Sony somehow believed that they could fix it. Sally Sussman Morina and that hack bitch from the depths of hell LML were both brought on around this time and were given shots at consulting. SSM had support from the Bells and Sony (she had worked with Bill in the 80s and she'd previously HW at DAYS with some success ratings wise) while LML had the support of Sony and Barbara Bloom. In the end, that hack bitch from the depths of hell LML was brought aboard and she systematically blew out almost everyone associated with the Bells while attempting to transform Y&R into Knots Landing 2.0.

We all know how well THAT went. At the end of 2007, the Bells took a meeting with Sony, demanding that they be awarded creative control again, citing how the ratings and budget had fallen apart. Fortunately for the Bells, the Nielsen surveys had come in shortly before, reflecting a widespread distaste for the show among the fans. Since DAYS was also bursting at the seams, Sony decided to put their energies at DAYS since it was clear to them that the Bells meant business and had successfully run the show for nearly 35 years and capitulated, awarding an agreement to the Bells that ensured their creative control over the series. The WGA strike so fortuitously occurred at this time so Sony did the strike and fired that hack bitch from the depths of hell LML and MAB was installed as Co-HW the next day.

That was EXCELLENTLY summed up, DF! LOL! Well said!

I think Kay Alden's AMC bible has been on the best kept secrets in daytime this decade.... we never heard what was in it, just that it was as DaytimeFan said... either terrible or great...

Anything would have been better than B&E's year.... they didn't even have a bible did they? They swooped in and just adapted some of The Writer's left over material.....

It wouldn't surprise me if Alden wrote a horrific bible for AMC, she had very little knowledge of that show in the frist place, and her writing style probably conflicted with what manangement had in mind anyway.

It wouldn't surprise me if Alden wrote a horrific bible for AMC, she had very little knowledge of that show in the frist place, and her writing style probably conflicted with what manangement had in mind anyway.

Oh no doubt that her style conflicted with what the management wanted.... and as we have discussed, Kay's ego would not permit her to change anything. I am sure she would have wanted near full creative control. The whole thing with her and ABC proved to be a giant waste of time and money. B&E could be easily manipulated, and they had a history with JHC and the leading man of the show, Thorsten Kaye. It was a win win.... on paper I suppose.

Does anyone know if other than B&E was anyone else ever considered?

Kay has a lot of talent but I think it's in working out OTHER people's stories--she played essentially that role for Bell since 1976 so...

Kay has a lot of talent but I think it's in working out OTHER people's stories--she played essentially that role for Bell since 1976 so...

Ding Ding Ding...we have a winner, tell him what he's won!

I do think Brad allows her some creative influence at B&B. I noticed a huge shift in the tone of the show when Kay was promoted, and I didn't like it.

Pratt's currently head writing from Los Angeles.

And Bill Bell head wrote Y&R until the mid to late 80s from Chicago. It wasn't until he and Lee were creating B&B that they moved to L.A. So the HW job is one that can be done from someplace other than the city where the show is taped.