How much of a garbage daytime soaps really are?

[Sylph]

It's in many ways reminiscent of that CH thing on that gossip site. It all ended up with people talking to themselves. A dark night for humanity.

[Y&RWorldTurner]

Sylph, I'm interested in knowing your opinion on your very own topic. I'd like a clearer understanding of your point of view on this topic.

[All My Shadows]

So wait, you weren't ridiculing his tastes? If that's the case, you should have clarified that a long time ago, before we even got to this point.

[brimike]

It's a bright and sunny day where I am!

[Vee]

I think you're being unfair. That's no way to talk about your last intimate encounter. In no way do you remind me of Truman Capote by way of Wal-Mart.

Oh, Sylph. You are my favorite paranoid schizophrenic. You always try to claim it's people taking you out of context, attacking you for no reason, twisting your words. Unfortunately, the common denominator in these situations is always you.

What you wanted was to school people in the most effete way possible about why soaps are "a garbage" (you use the "a" to signify cultured speech, I love it, like "a art," "a entertainment" - OICWHUTUDIDTHAR). And you put in a good go. You got people to bicker a little. You caused a minor fluff. I'm sure you see yourself as the soulful, breezy truth-teller of the SON boards, the aristocrat-cum-graffiti artist. Perhaps you envision yourself as Eileen Heckart in The Bad Seed, drunkenly trampling through the scene and scandalizing the neighbors to steal the show.

You try so hard to be so hard-hitting. But when you put all that careful artifice and stagecraft aside, sweetheart, this is just the Internet and everyone thinks you come off [!@#$%^&*] crazy.

[Sylph]

Well, as many have pointed out, I don't think that the genre per se is in any way garbage. In no way. I don't know who put the "you like everything else but soaps" thought out there in the world. Yes, I have a totally different way of watching them, yes, I don't care about discussions "OMG! Did you just see how Sharon told Phyllis [something]! That was hilarious!", yes, I know who Rimbaud is, yes, I am an elitist (how does that jeopardise anyone? )... And that sort of thing. Perhaps my flaw is that I do see it as some kind of literature, something... I am very Lemay-esque in these regards, I want them to become something more, something better. Then I see something dumb on TV, then I question people about it, then an avalanche heads my way "Oh, Toups, look what he's doing! Tell him, Toups! Ban him, Toups! If he doesn't go away, I will, Toups! He's wrecking your board, Toups!" I honestly have to ask myself when and how did I become this super-annoying, horrible, wicked, fire-spitting "persona", who rubs people the wrong way. That just boggles my mind.

Also, I don't get it why people have to believe that when I say something negative - and I know most of the time that's the case - that that means I'm some kind of a pathetic, evil, wicked soul who likes to push other people's buttons, to provoke, to offend... That sarcasm is my modus vivendi (there you go - a Latin phrase once again). My problem is that I don't like it when I see hypocrisy - at least it sounds to me that way - in that everyone here has this weird notion that you must be positive because if you're not then you don't like soaps, then this, then that, "We have to be positive!" dictatorship is bloody rigid boring. And fake. I believe that when you truly love something you point out the flaws, you wish it became better, which is why you point out to some things... Being all nice and lovely and denying does nothing. I am allergic to that. And this might sound fake but perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps I am the one who misinterprets people all the time.

So this is not an answer to your question, but if the thread stays open, I will reply. Definitely.

[DeeeDee]

[Sylph]

First I had a silly feud with Khan over Latham's son. That sky-rocketted impossibly fast.

Then Vee started hating me.

Then brimike got all upset and left the board.

Now bellcurve hates me.

There were others... I forgot.

Yup, DeeDeee hates me, too.

[Y&RWorldTurner]

Oh DeeeDee, I love that movie! Truly one of La Taylor's greatest triumphs, even if she was too young for the role.

[brimike]

Well, yeah - I got upset. But I didn't leave the board (obviously). Just took a break for a little while. You know how it is - things get too personal, too heated, and then I'm like "Wait - this is an Internet message board. Take a step back and breathe" So I did it. And it'll all good now. And besides - it wasn't Sylph that was the problem. It was me. I took things too personally in a discussion with a few posters (not just Sylph), and now I don't take things as personally anymore because I find I enjoy the "company" of those on this board, and missed it while I was on a break. But it was never a Sylph-issue.

Sorry to get off-topic - just wanted to clarify my role in Chapter Three of The Sylph Chronicles.

[Vee]

Are we in for a "The Many Manic Episodes of Sylph" retrospective here? Because if we are, I'm going to need to save this for posterity. Please continue, Jesus - I mean, Sylph.

And BTW, darling, it's not that everyone is positive but you. I am often horribly bitchy and negative about a great many things in daytime. It's that you actively look for ways to espouse the most extreme opposite view of everyone else, not because you necessarily believe in it, but because your conception of your own persona is so hollow that you feel you must take that position in order to be noticed. That's what I despise: Your plasticine revolutionary posing.

[DeeeDee]

:lol:

[DavidEvanSmith]

We've just misunderstood, everybody. Just because someone believes something isn't garbage, doesn't mean it's not. It's the big elephant in the room. It's still very possibly garbage. Because some people know better than them.

A fine line between criticism and condescension. Present oneself consistently on one level and people will generally stoop to that level to communicate with one. It's actually not hypocrisy, it's an attempt by others to communicate in the only way you've proven you know how.

But we've all misunderstood. Party's over. We're fools for thinking we ever had it right.

[Vee]

You know, back when I was one of the most hated people on the board (and likely still am), before this version of the board - some surely remember how I told off the entire administration when I first left, especially that cow Bree - I didn't have to post threads positing some perfunctory, inflammatory question which were really meant to be constructs for open forums all about me and my issues and my persecution complex, where I would hold forth like a Marlene Dietrich impersonator about how no one understood my quest for quality and art. I just had my opinions and stuck by them. I didn't have the same sweaty desperation that permeates Sylph's every post, to be noticed, to be scandalized, to be attacked, just so he can then do his softshoe about how the board is a sunny prison of vapidity where only he, the lone critic, longs for something better.

Sylph of course thinks he is the only one who thinks that way. I felt that way about the board at times, and still do; it is the reason my posts here are so brittle and nasty. But I never post anything I don't have a legitimate stake in, and I never want to make it about "my struggle." Because if I didn't want to be here, I simply wouldn't be here. I don't go in for banners and this is the only avatar I have ever had, or probably ever will; I don't care for that kind of silly stuff. And I think there's a lot of stupid [!@#$%^&*] on this board. But I'm here for what I get out of it, and I know that I've already said everything I can about its problems. There is nothing more tiresome than the 'revolutionary' who thinks they are the only one to see something.

[Sylph]

Toups is so going to close this before I say something, obviously off-topic... How is it that one day I'm "great" the next I'm a "person". Then I get kisses, then I'm a "douche". Then I'm manic, schizophrenic, then (a) God and Jesus... There were others...

I've alveys in my megalomania craved to re-post this:

This is my favourite post ever. Truly. I love it. And thank you, brimike. Even if you, just perhaps, weren't serious.