From what I understand, it was Robin's idea, and if anyone knows what Dorian would or would not do, it's her. I think we have to stop looking at this as Dorian degrading herself and realize that many women own their sexuality and enjoy doing that. Dorian was having fun, and sex has been a large part of her relationship with David. Remember when he thought Blair was (*cover your eyes kiddies*) riding him, but it was Dorian who'd slipped in and gotten in the driver's seat complete with blonde wig? In that scene and in the b.j., it's Dorian wieldng the power, not David.

I just don't consider that owning your sexuality. Using your sexuality to manipulate someone is approximating prostitution. Owning your sexuality is doing what you want, when you want, because you want to, and I have no problem with that at all.

Carl, I couldn't agree more. That's been my problem with the Buch-heir story from Day One. David is a buffoon - an enjoyable, lovable, adorable, hysterical one - but a buffoon, nonetheless. I've never bought that he was any real threat to the BUchanans. The guy can't hold on to a dollar to save his life, and the Buchs have NUMEROUS sources of income and are always throwing around million dollar checks.

But David has been turned into a buffoon. Yes he's always had a certain level of buffoonery because his schemes never succeed, but he's also at times truly been menacing. It's like they've totally dropped that aspect of his character in favor of comic relief. I've said it before, but the last few David returns have been like paper dolls and it's about dressing him up. Dress David in briefs, and tie him to a chair with leather reins. Dress David in too small overalls. Dress David in saffron robes. Give him funny lines to say. I don't see a story. It's all about the gags.

I just don't consider that owning your sexuality. Using your sexuality to manipulate someone is approximating prostitution. Owning your sexuality is doing what you want, when you want, because you want to, and I have no problem with that at all.

Word.

Dorian didn't suck David off just because she wanted to be passionate. She sucked him off because she wants his money. Even yesterday, after some silly Buddhism-related scenes, after David walked away, Dorian was all aglow about being Mrs. David Buchanan.

It's not even the fact that it was a blow job that makes it stupid, IMO. If the scene had begun with them crawling out of bed, my reaction would have been the same. "Did Dorian just [!@#$%^&*] David for his money? Whaa?" He'd been in her house for what...five minutes? And she never once talked about missing him while he was gone...and so...that was a passionate display of affection? HA!

This thread proves why OLTL's ratings suck.

Its the love it or hate it show.

I am generally a OLTL lover- But damn, I have been bored for a few weeks.

The comedy is what has kept me watching. OLTL makes me laugh ALOT (In a good way).

I don't think this is a show that people want to watch though. Its too schizophrenic in its tone.

I like the fact that no other soap has OLTL's vibe- That is how soaps used to be-different.

I think AMC is going to continue growing- Pratt writes a show that will not put people off.

OLTL is going to tank if they don't reel in the theatrics and become a little more formulaic.

Its pointless at this point to even bitch- I am sure OLTL will hit a 1.8 soon and we will get Leah Laiman as a headwriter to lead OLTL to its death.

Leah bored viewers to death during her last stint at OLTL. Is she working there again?

Sometimes I think Pratt is working hard to drive viewers away. I think RC is overrated and needs to figure out how to tell stories but I still think he's better than Pratt. With the advantages AMC has it isn't very far ahead of OLTL in the ratings.

I just don't consider that owning your sexuality. Using your sexuality to manipulate someone is approximating prostitution. Owning your sexuality is doing what you want, when you want, because you want to, and I have no problem with that at all.

But that's exactly what Dorian did. David didn't make her do it, David didn't even know why the hell she was doing it, so I wouldn't equate it to prostitution when the other party isn't even in on the deal. When you break down those scenes, maybe Dorian's super objective is to get the $$$, but in that particular scene she is so floored by this idea of a celibate/self-denying David Vickeroshi that almost immediately her objective is to get this man who she knows is a horndog to sleep with her. It wasn't even about the money in those particular beats. I mean of course we can agree to disagree but I don't think it was written and I don't think Robin played it like Dorian was lowering herself (no pun intended). I just don't think Robin would have been as enthusiastic as she was about playing it if she felt it would disrespect the character. On her Hotline she was very proud of the naughty scene and hoped it looked like what we all thought it looked like.

I might add that it's not really the money Dorian's after anyway, it's sticking it to the Buchanans. Of course Dorian loves the prospect of even more money and material things, but she loves watching the Bukes squirm even more.

When was this scene? I'm curious as to just how far they went that has Mr. "Men Can't Be Raped" screaming "profane!"

Edited February 5, 200916 yr by R Sinclair

The tone is what is confusing me, I don't understand what OLTL is trying to say or do. Cole is using painkillers and acting like he is strung out on steriod acting all aggressive, David and Dorian is a comedy act not a brillant take over move by Dorian, Vanessa and Chris is a stereotypical immigrant story that sucks on all points, Marty/Blair/John is a bad repeat of Jovan/Jolie and is all over the place. Forget about the whodunit, the moment Todd was lying next to the body twirling a bloody knife spoiled it for me, is that guy suppose to be a joke or what? All of these over the top antics take me out of the story instead of drawing me in.

The only thing that is remotely interesting is Nat/Jess because I feel that is the only genuine story and even there Nat needs to tone it down.

I just don't consider that owning your sexuality. Using your sexuality to manipulate someone is approximating prostitution. Owning your sexuality is doing what you want, when you want, because you want to, and I have no problem with that at all.

I am with you show me a strong woman who owns her sexuality and knows when to use her sensuality, Dorian sold herself. I wanted to see a game of seduction, and a real play of power at her taking control of BE.

But that's exactly what Dorian did. David didn't make her do it, David didn't even know why the hell she was doing it, so I wouldn't equate it to prostitution when the other party isn't even in on the deal. When you break down those scenes, maybe Dorian's super objective is to get the $$$, but in that particular scene she is so floored by this idea of a celibate/self-denying David Vickeroshi that almost immediately her objective is to get this man who she knows is a horndog to sleep with her. It wasn't even about the money in those particular beats. I mean of course we can agree to disagree but I don't think it was written and I don't think Robin played it like Dorian was lowering herself (no pun intended). I just don't think Robin would have been as enthusiastic as she was about playing it if she felt it would disrespect the character. On her Hotline she was very proud of the naughty scene and hoped it looked like what we all thought it looked like.

I might add that it's not really the money Dorian's after anyway, it's sticking it to the Buchanans. Of course Dorian loves the prospect of even more money and material things, but she loves watching the Bukes squirm even more.

That's fine and we can just agree to disagree. I just think using your sexuality to "get something" other than your own sexual gratification isn't owning it. JMO. And Robin's perception of the scene doesn't define it for me.

Edited February 5, 200916 yr by rhinohide

The only thing that is remotely interesting is Nat/Jess because I feel that is the only genuine story and even there Nat needs to tone it down.

I love this story but I disagree that Natalie needs to tone it down. I believe the story is intended to be polarizing. People can see Natalie's perspective, but she is definitely pushing too hard. That's Natalie's character. It smacks of trying to get John to take his meds after leaving the hospital. People can hate that about her, but I like it. She is resolute and forceful and for some people that translates into overbearing and obnoxious. I still like it. LOL.

Logan is a quack. Always has been.