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46 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Every day that Trump dominates the conversation means another day viewers don't know Harris. A lot of people will go with the enemy they know, especially if focus goes on issues that favor the GOP and slant media coverage of the GOP, like immigration or the economy. 

The whole thing takes me back to 2016, where I would see ads from pro-Hillary groups that were entirely about Trump and I got a sense of dread because I realized just how much he had crowded her out of the conversation. 

And now with this alleged assassination attempt the focus is even more on him. One of the key attempts Harris had to define herself to people who don't know her has been about everything else. No wonder per a Guardian tweet Trump's people were going around smugly saying how effective the push about Loomer, Springfield, etc. had ended up being. Yes, they are going to say that, but I don't think they were wrong.

But viewers are getting to know her, and she's opened up leads as a result of that as well as the debate. All of her polling on trust, personality, security, etc. have gone up over the last month and particularly in the last week. This is verifiable. And he hasn't crowded her out of the conversation. And this latest attempt is going to do even less for him than the first one did.

Meanwhile, Laura Loomer and his Springfield smears aren't effective outside of his base - they've done nothing but turn more people outside of his shrinking base off. So why believe weak spin that everything he does is a success before it even happens, when it's proven to fail over and over? When was the last time Donald Trump won an election cycle, for himself or his party in a general or a midterm? Eight years ago.

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I don't care what the FBI claims.

With Loomer and the hate in Ohio and such? I would not be surprised if this latest "attempt" was staged. I'm not convinced the FIRST one wasn't.

Because the timing is awfully convenient.

Yes, I know conspiracy theories make everyone sound looney, myself included. But, again, with the kind of person Trump is, and those in with him? I put nothing past any of them.

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Real or staged, it's gonna have even less impact than the first one which blew away in a week and moved no voters - which I don't think any of us would've believed would happen the first time. He's just that unpopular. That's the surreal universe we live in (and the kind of pariah Trump is to anyone outside his 38% core base) where not one but two assassination attempts on a central presidential candidate and ex-president do nothing to his polls.

9 minutes ago, Wendy said:

Yes, I know conspiracy theories make everyone sound looney, myself included. But, again, with the kind of person Trump is, and those in with him? I put nothing past any of them.

This guy apparently was trying to push a unity ticket of (wait for it) Nikki Haley/Tulsi and Vivek Ramaswamy. He's just a weird crank.

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Here's my dream JD Vance interview question:

Your most recent rhetoric focuses on Haitian immigrants who have been granted humanitarian visas based on the natural disasters in their country.  They now make up a workforce of 15,000 manufacturing jobs in Springfield. 

So, under a Trump government could we expect that on day one, your administration would require a local police force (who does not support claims of animal mistreatment) to round up these workers and deport them back to Haiti, effectively closing the Ohio businesses that employ them?  How would that affect the economy of Springfield?

I mean, maybe it would save some geese, but at what cost to the state's economic growth?

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8 minutes ago, janea4old said:

I thought Trump throwing paper towels was the hurricane in Puerto Rico, not the earthquake in Haiti.

You're probably correct, but Haitian immigrants began arriving in 2017

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/14/neo-nazis-springfield-ohio-haitian-immigrants

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2 hours ago, Vee said:

Honestly, like what was posted above, most of these disasters are not deliberate. They are not about shifting focus. They are simply self-made disasters and impulsive fúck-ups which ultimately hurt him.

Attacking the biggest pop star on the planet with hundreds of thousands if not millions of young fans (and suburban family fans, mothers, fathers, etc.) who she can mobilize to vote is not a brilliant plan or ploy - you can see GOP pundits all over social media dooming about it and saying that he has screwed himself with this. Inciting a race pogrom in Ohio when his opponent is opening up a lead and this kind of specific behavior turns off moderates and undecideds and causes him to bleed more of the support he has been bleeding for eight years is not a brilliant plan. And a potential new assassination attempt won't be a brilliant opening either. After the last attempt complete with fist-pump photo op and a yell of "fight!" faded within a week and did nothing for him, no second attempt will do anything either. It's not even going to knock Vance's blunder today out of the news for long. Look at the half-life the last assassination bit had and cut it in half, if that. As long as Trump, Vance and their people can't stop talking about Haitians, that story will continue to play even if there is a minimal interruption (which I doubt).

The only way Trump knows how to operate is to flood the zone and never stop talking, hoping the last thing he did will fade away. But that hasn't worked In any election cycles since at least 2020, if not since 2018. And again, most of what he has done and is doing is just him riffing and lashing out - no one told him 'let's go after Taylor Swift.' That's the last thing they want. This is him just going wild. There is no master plan. There is no brilliant ploy. There is no media jiujitsu anymore. Nothing has helped his poll numbers. Nothing has changed the national conversation about him becoming the loser of this race. Nothing has changed the fact that he bombed the debate and Harris has opened up more leads as a result. He just looks like a blithering fool stepping on one rake after another. It is no longer a series of incidents that are fading; in an election cycle they all merely become cumulative, building on themselves into a mountain of shít that drags him deeper. That is his new reality.

People need to accept that Trump is not some trailer trash Sun Tzu. It doesn't fit and it doesn't work.

Who said he was brilliant?! I never said that. And of course, I recognize that the attention span of the public is shorter than a fruit fly and will go to something else but even when you go to the well more than once, successful or not, it begins to look like a strategy, failure or not. His entire presidential campaign is basically about avoiding prison. That’s a strategy. 

In other news, 

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-loses-electric-avenue-copyright-lawsuit-2024-9

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1 hour ago, DramatistDreamer said:

Who said he was brilliant?! I never said that. And of course, I recognize that the attention span of the public is shorter than a fruit fly and will go to something else but even when you go to the well more than once, successful or not, it begins to look like a strategy, failure or not.

I'm speaking more to the tiresome, ancient sentiment on social media that everything Trump does is 4-D chess and will always succeed. It doesn't succeed, it hasn't been succeeding for some years now electorally.

Marc Caputo, who is a slimeball, is out there laundering the Trump campaign line that cat-eating in Ohio is a great win for them because these smears vaguely go back to immigration. But that's just a line. It's cope from a campaign staff deep in the grips of delusion. "They're eating the cats" has done nothing to grow their base or cut into Harris. So what's left? 38% (and slowly fading) of whackjobs.

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8 hours ago, Vee said:

I'm speaking more to the tiresome, ancient sentiment on social media that everything Trump does is 4-D chess and will always succeed. It doesn't succeed, it hasn't been succeeding for some years now electorally.

Marc Caputo, who is a slimeball, is out there laundering the Trump campaign line that cat-eating in Ohio is a great win for them because these smears vaguely go back to immigration. But that's just a line. It's cope from a campaign staff deep in the grips of delusion. "They're eating the cats" has done nothing to grow their base or cut into Harris. So what's left? 38% (and slowly fading) of whackjobs.

Oh.

Well, I haven’t subscribed to cable in well over a decade and I guess it shows lol.

The very sad fact of the matter is that there is a long running history of disparaging the Haitian people in the U.S. (see the AIDS crisis of the 1980s). This is the latest example of a shameless attempt.

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The Guardian has been referring to yesterday's incident where Trump was golfing
as an ‘assassination attempt’ --  in quotes.
It seems deliberate as if they are implying that it's "so-called" or "unproven".

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