The Politics Thread

[Khan]

 

Agree.

[DramatistDreamer]

And just think...these same candidates will be facing off again in the general election!

 

 

Call me cynical but imo, many of the very same people screaming against DACA and immigration reform prefer that there is no proper guest worker program and/or path to legalization so that they can continue to exploit undocumented workers, especially seeing that so many are afraid to come forward to report abuses like wage theft and exploitation.

[Juliajms]

^ I don't think that's cynical at all. It's the clear reality. 

[DramatistDreamer]

 

I'm glad it's not just me that's been seeing this.

[marceline]

The backlash has already begun. When the far left wins it's Bernie's revolution, when they lose is her fault. But the truth is the press was building her up just so they tear her down and, sadly, she bought her own hype.

 

 

[DramatistDreamer]

Yeah, I saw the video of her stumbling and flailing for words when asked about Pelosi.  Instead of stumping as if she's running for president, she should have just stayed local and continued to meet with her potential constituents and fellow NYers, that's where her priorities should have been.

She's become a cautionary tale of what happens when a woman and in particular a WOC hitches her wagon to Berners, while the irony is that Sanders never even bothered to endorse her.

Edited August 9, 2018 by DramatistDreamer

[Khan]

Agree.

 

Agree with THIS as well.

[Juliajms]

Yes.  Why not take some time to learn and grow in her position before exposing herself to the larger fray.  Maybe she thought this was her moment and wanted to capitalize on that.

[JaneAusten]

I like her and she shows promise. She's not naïve in some sense. She did work for Ted Kennedy at one time. But I wonder if her success went to her head. She NEVER should have let Bernie use her as he did. And he didn't even endorse her.

 

And the candidates she was stumping for,  were not that far policy wise from the people who won. Sure Whitmer in MI is experienced(a good thing) and some potentially questionable ties to the insurance industry, but she has promised to increase the min wage in Mi to 15/hour, overturn Right to Work in Mi, she was solely responsible for getting Medicaid expansion in Mi with a GOP gov and legislature, she's pushing universal pre-school, and has promised to help Flint. She's hardly an establishment stooge. 

 

And Sharice Davids also left leaning. All she has said was she wanted a healthcare solution but would not commit to Medicare for All. Other than that all her positions were the same as the guy they supported.

 

I think it's interesting how left so many of these Bernie folks are but were they involved in Missouri getting right to work overturned in Mo. Actions like that will have real impact not stumping and yammering on and on and doing nothing. Michigan activists also got that anti gerrymandering referendum on the ballot in Nov also.

[DramatistDreamer]

 

I'm glad you mentioned that because I read about that yesterday and think that it is pretty notable, yet I wonder whether it is being discussed in broadcast news.

[Juliajms]

Damn it. I like this guy, but this is not who we need, imo. I want a return to stability.

 

[DramatistDreamer]

Avenatti is another that needs to stay in his lane.  Don't get a Giuliani complex, thinking you can coast to the presidency based on your prosecutorial/legal reputation.

 

So this Kavanaugh man looks to have been entrenched in some of the worst aspects of Republican political actions in the late 20th century.  The Kenneth Starr panel and now the team that prepared John Ashcroft on how to handle terrorism detainee issues like racial profiling, monitoring attorney-client conversations and military tribunals.  Apparently Kavanaugh had offered to help on the monitoring of attorney-client conversations issue.  It seems like he has been trying to obscure his involvement in this.

 

Funny how much Trump bellowed how different he was supposed to be from other Republicans, especially Bush but he can't grab the leftovers from W.'s administration fast enough.

[marceline]

 

I don't trust anyone who looks at Trump and sees an opportunity for themselves instead of a threat to others.

[Juliajms]

Maybe they're right, but the term white nationalism has always hit my fear button. It doesn't make me think of patriotism it makes me think of militant zealots and ethnic cleansing.

 

[Khan]

I think even "white supremacy" is too nice of a term.  It's racism.  Pure and simple.