Oh, and I'm sorry to keep harping on about the Winters but... THREE SONGS?

I wanted to crawl under my sofa in embarrassment at this scene:

Ana: Devon and I wrote a song.

Devon: Well, we started to write a song.

Ana: Okay, check it out.

Neil: Uh, wait a minute, Ana. Actually, Karen and I, we--we have to get going. I'm sorry.

LOL at Neil wanting to get the hell outta there.

Ana: Oh, okay. No problem!

Karen: Honey, we've got a couple of minutes, don't we?

Neil: Uh, we do? We do.

Karen: Yeah.

Neil: Sure we do. Yeah, we do.

Devon: You guys can listen to it?

Neil: Yeah.

Devon: It's real short. We can do it for them, yeah?

Ana: Yeah.

Devon: Let's go. All right. Here we go. One... two... three.

Devon and Ana: I've got so much to give and I've got a life to live and I've got to keep my dreams alive.

Karen: (Laughs)

Neil: Yeah, yeah, yeah. :lol:

Karen: That's hot.

Neil: That was definitely a thumbs-up. I like that one.

Karen: You guys have a real talent for this!

By all that is HOLY, sweet Drucilla, make it stop!

Yeah, that singing couple is driving me crazy. Why must there always be something that ruins the great episode?

I agree about that damn singing! That little Ana has got to be one of the most annoying kids I've seen on a soap in a LONG time (hello GH's Michael, OLTL's Starr and Y&R's Noah).

Is that guy who was playing the prison guard the same guy who played Jonah on Days years ago?

If that was him then damn he isn't looking to good......

But, feel this, Cat. I'm just now watching this for a week for the first time in two years. I don't know what led up to the stuff between the two, so I'm flying kinda blind.

OK. I could see how you might be all "Hey. Who's this midget?"

Devon has the same problem with Katie Logan. They both refuse to grow up.The two soaps could have another crossover and have Katie sing with Ana and Devon, her two new best friends.

However I must admit that I enjoy watching Neil with a big family around him. Too bad that they have all forgotten Neil's daughter Lily.

Can you imagine what would happen if Dru returned home and saw this big happy family singing in her living room?

Okay, even I was fooled for a second by the Lowell Baldwin impostor.

OK. I could see how you might be all "Hey. Who's this midget?"

:lol:

You read my mind!

I'm like "Aye, pimpin'. What's the snarky [!@#$%^&*] for?!"

Team Adam here. The Newman siblings are the snots -- either boohooing about daddy shutting them out (of the will? Of the ranch?) or bitching about Jack Abbott.

Adam, meanwhile, had to deal with Phyllis disdainful "You did? Who?" when he talked about losing Skye. Nice. I hope he kicks Nick's three-whiskered ass tomorrow. For the first time ever, Pipsqueak just got hot.

Victor's wearing the Black T-Shirt of Doom and the dad-jeans? That means bizness!

I was kinda cringing and misty-eyed at the same time when Kay had her "talk" with God. She was *this close* to railing her fist and spouting "Damn you!" but I sorta loved the inherent soapiness of it all as well.

Victoria: Well, if she's not returning, then I'm not returning, either.

Jill: (Pause) Suit yourself.

Oh Cat. I always love your posts. I will miss the mocking of the "choux fleur" everyday. <sigh>

Also loved that the writers didn't even bother make it so that Victoria leaving Jabot would be a big deal. She came in a lamb and she should leave one.

I love the Newman kids, though, LOL. No matter how bratty and spoiled they are, Adam's quite the nuisance. I'm not of the silver spoon breed but he's just so spiteful. Not that he doesn't have a right to be but for some reason, I can't side with him right now. Maybe it's because I've known and loved Nick and Victoria for so long and Adam seems like an intruder. Or maybe because the writers set him up for the audience to hate him. Whatever it is, I'd rather view him as a villain. It's much more fun to hate him than love and relate to him.

Chris Engen definitely has the potential to be a character we love despite doing anything despicable in the vein that Eric has perfected.

Chris Engen reminds me of Christian Bale.

LoL, the temp cop gets his 15 seconds of fame.

Edited August 7, 200817 yr by MTSRocks

Re: Ana Devon's song.

OK, I don't know what hip 20-something black kid from the ghetto with a crackhead mother would write anything so damn square. I don't even mean the lyrics. Yeah, they were hokey, but the accompaniment was like nursery-home/early-eighties bad Michael McDonald ish.

Who even came up with constant singing? Is it Sony pressuring the writers to write in that or what? I don't think the HWs would write in THAT much singing. And I hate that Sony is using the show to promote Jamia Simone Nash. It's just stupid.

Oh Cat. I always love your posts. I will miss the mocking of the "choux fleur" everyday. <sigh>

Also loved that the writers didn't even bother make it so that Victoria leaving Jabot would be a big deal. She came in a lamb and she should leave one.

I love the Newman kids, though, LOL. No matter how bratty and spoiled they are, Adam's quite the nuisance. I'm not of the silver spoon breed but he's just so spiteful. Not that he doesn't have a right to be but for some reason, I can't side with him right now. Maybe it's because I've known and loved Nick and Victoria for so long and Adam seems like an intruder. Or maybe because the writers set him up for the audience to hate him. Whatever it is, I'd rather view him as a villain. It's much more fun to hate him than love and relate to him.

Chris Engen definitely has the potential to be a character we love despite doing anything despicable in the vein that Eric has perfected.

OMG, thank you! I miss the choux fleurs already.

I can definitely see where you and Roman are coming from. It wasn't until this week that I warmed to Adam, to be honest. I, too, always thought he was a little Pipsqueak upstart and if I didn't hate FauxToria so much, I would have been hopping mad at the way he just elbowed her out of Newman Enterprises. Especially since it was so misogynistic, playing on fears that her role as a new mom would interfere with her work.

But lately Fauxtoria and Phyllis (Nick, less so) have been working my last nerve. They are so self-righteous and self-involved. It's all about their pain. Never mind that they treated Sabrina like crap and essentially disowned Victor when he married her.

But mostly they were too cowardly to stand up to TGVN, so instead they just rounded on Sabrina every time she walked into the GCAC or the office. FauxToria, JT, Phyllis, Nick, sometimes even Nikki (who I love) were like a little posse of snide bullies. "Um. What are you doing here? You're not welcome here." So in this instance, I just can't feel them, although Nick was definitely not the worst offender.

Who even came up with constant singing? Is it Sony pressuring the writers to write in that or what? I don't think the HWs would write in THAT much singing. And I hate that Sony is using the show to promote Jamia Simone Nash. It's just stupid.

Okay, here is my theory.

Legend has it that African American viewers abandoned the show after Moore, and then Rowell, left.

Unlike some other cultural groups, African Americans (so the data say) are still better known for tight family ties (especially along matrilineal lines) and intergenerational activities.

So, I think Ana (in particular) is a bid to get African American GRANDMAS watching the show. If Grandma is watching...then there is an increased probability that her grandkids are watching. Especially in the pre-pubescent category, African Americans have one of the highest proportions of "grandparent care" of their children's offspring in the US.

If I'm right, this is about building an intergenerational viewing pattern for African Americans in their 50s and up, and their grandchildren, with the goal of building life-long viewership patterns in those grandkids.

While you might argue "but that's not the DEMO the advertisers want" (and you'd be right), I think this is an attempt to INVEST in long-term audience building.

But I could be plain wrong .

Hey MarkH, you may be right.

But there is not one person on this board who likes that darn girl. I highly doubt the majority of Black grandmothers will either. Jeez. Give them some credit. And they're women, first and foremost, they want a hot piece of ass. They want Shemar, not some little girl.

<Ahem> I'm speaking as a potential future Black woman over fifty so I could be wrong about the hot piece of ass. But I probably should ask my eldest aunt as see if she's even watching Y&R anymore. I know she and my mom love Victor the most, though LOL.