From what I recall, Marty and Todd did sleep together in college, once. And when Marty then rejected him at the fateful frat party, he and his buddies then gang raped her. So it's not technically a lie.

I always wanted Powell Lord III or Zach Rosen (the other "forgotten" rapists) to come back and stir up trouble for Todd. Powell would be the obvious choice because he's also related to Viki. But Zach Rosen would leave more flexibility to go anywhere with Zach's past.

I remember thinking Powell was hot (prob not the best thing for a 13 year old guy to think but...) But I don't remember him being a Lord! What was his connection? Has Victor Lord fathered the mostillegitimate kids in soap history?

Didn't Powell turn out to be the later rapist that, in a rather lame attempt at redeeming Todd, Todd helped capture?

Yesterday's epi was not as good as I hoped. Well maybe because of the two EXCELLENT epi's before.

Funny I prefered it. Well besides some of the great anniversary moments... And maybe yesterday had too much baby stuff but--it was also the first time I REALLY enjoyed the scenes between Marty and Todd since she's returned.

This is exactly what I wanted - Brody and Gigi get closer while Rex is out of town. This triangle is setting up perfectly.

Now all that's left is for Bitchy Bangs needs to return & fall in love with Brody.

Todd Manning is vile. he brutally ganged raped Marty and he kidnaps her and tells her that she slept with him? He then proceeds to joke with her about how she told him that he was bad in bed. She then apologizes to him if she hurt him. WTF? He is beyond sick and a descpicable person.

That is what Todd does though.

He doesn't care about hurting people.

Todd's own family, Viki & Jess included, aren't even immune to his issues.

im honestly not trying to just diss it. i wasnt happy when i heard about this in the first place but then reading fans reactions and finding out the history i got excited. i just hate how its actually playing out. its like a parody of a soap opera.

i get all this happened int he 80's (and really, why is OLTL only honering the 80's? but whatever...). However it didnt play out well like it did in the 80's (okay, fromw hat i have seen and heard the time travel is better, but thats it). Again. My issue isnt exactl;y with whats going on - but how its playing out. Passions doesnt campy over the topness on soap operas. Passions owns doing it in horrid style and being a parody/rip off of a soap opera.

Besides, i doubt comparing oltl and passions to you would be an insult (and i do mean that in a nice way, because i know you love passions and jer). I dont know exactly what it is thats not working for me. Maybe the directing? Maybe the acting? The overall storyline idea is okay, but the dialoge is horrid - and i never pay attemntion to dialog but days and oltl right now stick out as horrid.

Again, maybe this is just because i didnt watch it then. Maybe its because i wasnt looking forward to it - but even then i was really pumped about the tess storyline and i just want it over as well.

I never watched OLTL then, and I thought Monday and Tuesday were fabulous, except for what I considered to be poorly done waterfall scenes. I felt OLTL AGAIN put Days to shame this week.

I remember thinking Powell was hot (prob not the best thing for a 13 year old guy to think but...) But I don't remember him being a Lord! What was his connection? Has Victor Lord fathered the mostillegitimate kids in soap history?

Didn't Powell turn out to be the later rapist that, in a rather lame attempt at redeeming Todd, Todd helped capture?

Powell was Viki's first cousin's son, i.e., Powell's grandfather and Victor Lord were brothers. I believe they were all named Powell too, the Powell we knew was Powell III.

And yes, Powell turned out to be the nutso masked rapist. He had been such the good guy... character assassination.

Same here and it is shaping up quite nicely with the kiss at the end, I did not expect that!

I don't mind the Todd and Marty story because I know he is lying to her about everything out of spite not because he is falling for her. Todd will get his once her memory returns and she finds out all his lies.

Pretty good episode but I miss 1968.

Why can't David take the offer? I was confused

David couldn't take the offer because on Tuesday he promised Dorian that he would divorce Addie if she saved Viki's life. Dorian took him up on the offer, only making him get an annulment rather than a divorce.

Man I'll have to see that ep if I'm ever in New York--is the Paley Center the same as the Museum of TV and Radio? Do you remember what year it was from or what other characters are in it? I love the one 1969 ep in B&W everyone has prob seen but it's a shame we see Meredith but no Vicki.

Yeah, the Paley Center is the new name for the Museum of TV and Radio (I preferred the original name, kinda said it all ya know?)...

Gosh, I wish I could remember more about that ep. I saw it when I was first learning about OLTL's history so I'm fuzzy on the exact year and the characters involved, but I do remember Viki and Victor of course, and I believe they were running around distraught about Meredith who was m.i.a. I remember that there was no Carla but maybe Sadie, Anna, and Vinnie. You know what, I'm gonna go back and check it out sometime this month and I'll recap.

I'll add that kinescopes, though wonderful to have, do a huge mental disservice to fans seeing these classic eps for the first time. I think it's hard to disassociate and realize that these eps were originally aired in vibrant unscratchy color (as you can see from that SoapNet Agnes Nixon interview). That's one of the things that struck me the most.

I just watched the Nixon interview again, and I believe that clip of Ellen Holly and Robert Milli is one that Holly mentions in her book. It's not from a preserved full episode, but one of a few clips that were sent to affiliates. Holly was thrilled to finally get her hands on even that as the bulk of her groundbreaking s/l is lost forever.

Edited July 25, 200817 yr by SFK

Todd Manning is vile. he brutally ganged raped Marty and he kidnaps her and tells her that she slept with him? He then proceeds to joke with her about how she told him that he was bad in bed. She then apologizes to him if she hurt him. WTF? He is beyond sick and a descpicable person. I can barely wach this storyline and I want it ended ASAP. Watching Marty be manipulated and victimized again is not cool or entertaining

Actually that part is true. Marty and Todd did have a ONS before she became his tutor and the rape happened at the Spring Fling.

David couldn't take the offer because on Tuesday he promised Dorian that he would divorce Addie if she saved Viki's life. Dorian took him up on the offer, only making him get an annulment rather than a divorce.

Ah I watched Tuesday and knew he made a deal with Dorian but forgot about the annulment part of it. I thought Dorian just wanted him to be out of Addie's life. I wonder why Dorian does not want David to get a divorce? Is she thinking about Addie or herself? hmmmm

Todd Manning is vile. he brutally ganged raped Marty and he kidnaps her and tells her that she slept with him? He then proceeds to joke with her about how she told him that he was bad in bed. She then apologizes to him if she hurt him. WTF? He is beyond sick and a descpicable person. I can barely wach this storyline and I want it ended ASAP. Watching Marty be manipulated and victimized again is not cool or entertaining

WORD Cheap!

I'm VERY disappointed in Carlavati regarding this aspect of the show

WORD Cheap!

I'm VERY disappointed in Carlavati regarding this aspect of the show

and to make matters worse he is lying to ehr and keeping her from her own child, yet proceeds to bitch and complain about Blair doing the same thing to him. What a friggin hypocrite! I hope Marty stabs him when she remembers and realizes what he's doing to her

I'm VERY disappointed in Carlavati regarding this aspect of the show

I am too. Loving/liking everything but this story

Really hope Marty gives Todd the lashing of all lashings, when she remembers everything

ETA:

Positive things about today's show-

Enjoyed Brody and Gigi. Always enjoy Clint, David and Nora

Edited July 25, 200817 yr by Laurie

Powell was Viki's first cousin's son, i.e., Powell's grandfather and Victor Lord were brothers. I believe they were all named Powell too, the Powell we knew was Powell III.

And yes, Powell turned out to be the nutso masked rapist. He had been such the good guy... character assassination.

Ah did we ever see Viki's cousin or any of the family?

yeah I liked mos tof OLTL during that whole era but the whole Powell is a rapist, Todd finds out, bla bla, was... dumb.

You know what, I'm gonna go back and check it out sometime this month and I'll recap.

Can you sneak in a small cam with you?

Do they only have the one pre 1975 OLTL? Howabout AMC?

I'll add that kinescopes, though wonderful to have, do a huge mental disservice to fans seeing these classic eps for the first time. I think it's hard to disassociate and realize that these eps were originally aired in vibrant unscratchy color (as you can see from that SoapNet Agnes Nixon interview). That's one of the things that struck me the most.

Oh yeah--even the sound is pretty bad, because of how they're filmed, on kinescope. It's funny as a kid, when I was obssessed with AMC and trying to find out everything about it, and before the Net could answer all my questions--Iw as confused cuz I saw an Erica clip from 1970 and it was in B&W and I was sure that by 1970 the soaps woulda been colour...

I just watched the Nixon interview again, and I believe that clip of Ellen Holly and Robert Milli is one that Holly mentions in her book. It's not from a preserved full episode, but one of a few clips that were sent to affiliates. Holly was thrilled to finally get her hands on even that as the bulk of her groundbreaking s/l is lost forever.

I need to read that book. Some clips etc were saved for promo and other reasons--right? I know with the kinescopes often they were saved because an actor wanted a scene from that saved for posterity.

Man SoapNet is wasting a golden chance to air these... (what's new)

Can you sneak in a small cam with you?

Do they only have the one pre 1975 OLTL? Howabout AMC?

Haha, it's been done (that's how some other classic soap footage has made it into private collection), but I wouldn't dream of trying such a thing! I'm a goodie-goodie (who'd be a nervous wreck). :-D

I think that's the earliest ep they have, though things may have changed since the last I checked. One gripe I have with the archive is the search function. There's a room full of computers where you search for which programs you want to watch, you can pick a maximum of four, then you are sent to a viewing booth to watch them. It seems like if a soap episode didn't run credits that day, actors names won't turn up in a search. So say you search for Gerald Anthony, and you get two hits for OLTL while the archive actually has nine eps featuring him. It's only "annoying" b/c you have a limited amount of time to search and it can be a little tedious scrolling through the synopses of every OLTL episode in the collection.

Not sure how far back their AMC stuff goes, I only remember watching the 20th anniversary special.

I forget the circumstances of Ellen Holly finding that material. I believe she searched far and wide. I would love to see some of Carla's "passing" storyline, just as I would love to see Erika Slezak, Shepperd Strudwick, and Nancy Pinkerton in the early Viki, Victor, and Dorian s/l. I'd really love to see the infamous scene where Dorian dilly dallies with Victor's meds.