Loving/The City Discussion Thread

[Kane]

What a treat, thanks for sharing!

 

That's Dale and Jolie, of Trisha's first "death" fame (and thanks for the tag).

[DRW50]

Thanks. I don't remember them. I wonder if the show had any more plans for them. They seem to be building something for Jolie. 

Just read about Jolie's end on the wonderful Loving blog. Geez. Truly haunting. I wonder if it plays onscreen the way it does on the page.

[Kane]

Jolie was pretty chummy with Curtis, so maybe that was the original plan. I could see things playing out with him recruiting her to help break up Rocky and Todd, only for them to fall for each other, at which point maybe events from her past would have come into play to come between them.

The episode with Jolie's death was on youtube at one point (it may still be). It's from November 1989.

[DRW50]

Thanks. You're right. Turns out I had seen it. I knew nothing of those characters, so it didn't have an effect on me. Now that I know, the scenes of her struggling and begging forgiveness are more effective.

Interesting that they didn't intentionally (?) have Jeff kill her.

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I guess this was the end of that Dale character. The actor is cute. Whoever cast Loving often seemed to have an eye for attractive men.

Edited March 7 by DRW50

[Khan]

I'm not sure, but I think that was Mark Kiely, who has appeared in a bunch of shows over the years, including "Beverly Hills, 90210," where he played one of the teachers at West Beverly High.

[DRW50]

Thanks! You're right.

[Khan]

You're welcome!  And you're right, too, about LOVING and their ability to cast exceptionally attractive men.  Too bad ABCD never thought to launch a "Loving the Men on LOVING" ad campaign.  Who knows?  It might've helped their ratings, lol!

[TheyStartedOnSoaps]

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Bryan Cranston & Patricia Kalember "Loving" Promos 1983 (Doug & Merrill)

[DRW50]

Thanks @TheyStartedOnSoaps it's nice to see all those promos together.

That first promo is odd if it is meant to introduce new viewers to the show - they seem to imply Curtis is also a Donovan, Roger too, and they don't identify several of the men featured.

Seeing Bryan Cranston doing his wacky dancing shows you why he would go on to spend so many years in sitcoms.

Edited March 9 by DRW50

[slick jones]

 

 

@DRW50   The lady Doctor is referred to a Dr. Rosen. There is a 1988 character named Dr. Rosen. A cast crawl at that time credited her as actress Mary Jay. I couldn't find a picture of Mary Jay to compare to the video.

The nurse looks familiar to me as well Dr. Blandell and Mrs. Waterford, but I don't know where from.

Nada Rowand is such an underrated actress. I would have loved to have seen her cast as a matriarch on another soap after Loving. She had earlier soap roles, but the character names  have yet to be uncovered..

[DRW50]

Thank you so much @slick jones

[DRW50]

This is an episode which used to be on Youtube. I looked and looked and didn't see it at present (if I missed it, my apologies).

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My copy did not have a date, although I am guessing someone here probably knew it. I didn't feel like going through all the posts so luckily the great Loving blog helped due to their listing the date as sometime in October.

Recap: October [date unknown], 1987 – Loving (1983-1995)

Edited March 11 by DRW50

[EricMontreal22]

During COVID some of us Loving fans managed to get (from a kind fan) and watch a good chunk of the episodes from this infamous storyline but for various reasons weren't allowed to share them.  So I'm so glad that this fan edit of the story at least was just made now.

And though she wasn't credited as HW at the time, let's all remember this IS an Agnes Nixon storyline at least at heart--I have a copy of her lengthy story outline for it (including her reasoning for it) copies from her archives.  
 

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[EricMontreal22]

I love how in the car chase, etc, sequence it goes all 1980s cheezy horror film which is not remotely I think what Agnes Nixon intended

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[DRW50]

Thanks so much for letting us know. I have always been interested in seeing more of this even though I am not a big fan of John O'Hurley, and just seeing more of this period in general. I do prefer episodes over clips but I can't exactly be demanding when this era is very difficult to find. 

Someone in the comments claimed the story killed the show because the first year had been seen as promising and this was a laughingstock. I wonder if that's true. I don't remember hearing the first year was so highly prized, although I do know this story was later used in some soap book or magazine summaries of why the show wasn't good (another was a cough syrup addiction, which I genuinely thought was true until I think some here debunked that). 

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