I shutter to think how boring SB would've been with the central couple being a princess and an ex-con, versus a smart career-oriented woman with an Electra complex and a cop.

8 minutes ago, j swift said:

I shutter to think how boring SB would've been with the central couple being a princess and an ex-con, versus a smart career-oriented woman with an Electra complex and a cop.

Eh. I never bought into the Cruz & Eden hype, honestly.

If they had stayed with Joe and Kelly, they probably would have made Joe a cop. He was the lead action adventure guy while Dane was in the role. Cruz became what Joe would have been. Same with Kelly and Eden; Eden became what Kelly would have been had they stuck to the original plan and actors.

12 minutes ago, Jdee43 said:

If they had stayed with Joe and Kelly, they probably would have made Joe a cop. He was the lead action adventure guy while Dane was in the role. Cruz became what Joe would have been. Same with Kelly and Eden; Eden became what Kelly would have been had they stuck to the original plan and actors.

And I would have 100% enjoyed that more.

These also have commercials.

Edited January 4Jan 4 by DRW50

Been bingeing on Cruz/Eden stuff starting wth 1984 - currently on 1986 and the horrid Tori stuff…

”OMG CRUZ! KeItH’s gOt ThE oThEr eArRiNg!!”

Someone kill me now…

40 years ago TODAY!

8 minutes ago, Wendy said:

Cool!   

But I'll agree with him that the stories he got (Sasha in a freezer!) did suck, so I get why he decided to leave.

Yes, Lester did get ripped off in terms of storyline. I also find it interesting Santa Barbara hired both of the Abbott siblings (Lester/Eileen Davidson) to portray two of the Capwell siblings. On paper, both should have been longterm investments.

13 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

I also find it interesting Santa Barbara hired both of the Abbott siblings (Lester/Eileen Davidson) to portray two of the Capwell siblings. 

They missed each other by a year. Terry Lester departure November 1990 and Eileen Davidson arrival November 1991.

 

4 minutes ago, kalbir said:

They missed each other by a year. Terry Lester departure November 1990 and Eileen Davidson arrival November 1991.

 

And they had thankless jobs to try to do because of all of the purists who say Only one Kelly - Robin Wright and Only one Mason - Lane Davies. And, I'm one of them but even though I am I also still think Terry did a good job. Eileen, no, and Gordon, no. But my favorite of Terry Lester is Royce/ATWT. 

19 minutes ago, kalbir said:

They missed each other by a year. Terry Lester departure November 1990 and Eileen Davidson arrival November 1991.

So disappointing; I wonder what they could have done if on together at the same time. Davidson also followed who I perceive as the best Kelly: Carrington Garland.

2 hours ago, Liberty City said:

So disappointing; I wonder what they could have done if on together at the same time. Davidson also followed who I perceive as the best Kelly: Carrington Garland.

No slight to Eileen Davidson, who did the best she could [and she was building a nice vibe with Charles Grant's Connor McCabe], but getting rid of Carrington Garland was one of the biggest mistakes the Dobsons made during their second tenure.

Carrington Garland, I would argue, was almost as popular as her predecessor [not counting Kimberly McArthur here], Robin Wright. She had chemistry with everyone and sparked with whomever she was romantically paired with. I think, had Garland stayed - whether paired with Roscoe Born as Quinn/Robert or maybe Charles Grant then - the show could have weathered the loss of both Marcy Walker and A Martinez better. Yes, there was still the popular Mason/Julia pairing, but Cruz and Eden took up such a large chunk of that show that losing both was a death knell.

On a side note, it was nice that both Marcy Walker and Carrington Garland both attended the 40th Anniversary celebration for Santa Barbara a few months back [with many other familiar faces!]...

Edited March 23Mar 23 by Wendy

1 hour ago, Wendy said:

No slight to Eileen Davidson, who did the best she could [and she was building a nice vibe with Charles Grant's Connor McCabe], but getting rid of Carrington Garland was one of the biggest mistakes the Dobsons made during their second tenure.

The Dobsons made quite a few mistakes during their time on this soap: Ava Lazar, Dane Witherspoon, and then Garland. Davidson is a fire talent; she wasn't the issue. The role was. She was not right for Kelly, and Garland had everything right in that role.

1 hour ago, Wendy said:

Carrington Garland, I would argue, was almost as popular as her predecessor [not counting Kimberly McArthur here], Robin Wright. She had chemistry with everyone and sparked with whomever she was romantically paired with. I think, had Garland stayed - whether paired with Roscoe Born as Quinn/Robert or maybe Charles Grant then - the show could have weathered the loss of both Marcy Walker and A Martinez better. Yes, there was still the popular Mason/Julia pairing, but Cruz and Eden took up such a large chunk of that show that losing both was a death knell.

I know people love Robin Wright, but I've honestly never been that pulled in by her performances⏤both on Santa Barbara and in her film/television projects. I know she was likely seen as the "Laura" of the soap, but it just did not work for me. I've always maintained that Wright's Kelly and Witherspoon's Joe should have been the soap's OTP and super couple, but we saw what happened when they recast Joe. Garland made her imprint known in the role of Kelly.

1 hour ago, Wendy said:

On a side note, it was nice that both Marcy Walker and Carrington Garland both attended the 40th Anniversary celebration for Santa Barbara a few months back [with many other familiar faces!]...

I agree; I loved seeing them both attend. I know Garland did The Bay some time ago, and she was just as natural there as she was during her Santa Barbara days, and I wish daytime had kept their eye on her.

3 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

I agree; I loved seeing them both attend. I know Garland did The Bay some time ago, and she was just as natural there as she was during her Santa Barbara days, and I wish daytime had kept their eye on her.

I thought I remembered reading that Garland once auditioned for another soap - maybe The Young & The Restless? But no one ever scooped her up. One of the soaps should have, IMO.

6 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

The Dobsons made quite a few mistakes during their time on this soap: Ava Lazar, Dane Witherspoon, and then Garland. Davidson is a fire talent; she wasn't the issue. The role was. She was not right for Kelly, and Garland had everything right in that role.

I know people love Robin Wright, but I've honestly never been that pulled in by her performances⏤both on Santa Barbara and in her film/television projects. I know she was likely seen as the "Laura" of the soap, but it just did not work for me. I've always maintained that Wright's Kelly and Witherspoon's Joe should have been the soap's OTP and super couple, but we saw what happened when they recast Joe. Garland made her imprint known in the role of Kelly.

I agree; I loved seeing them both attend. I know Garland did The Bay some time ago, and she was just as natural there as she was during her Santa Barbara days, and I wish daytime had kept their eye on her.

Garland did audition for Mindy on GL, IIRC, but was not chosen. She would have been better than who they cast.

I haven't watched every moment with the two Kellys, but I think both did well with where the characters were. Robin's Kelly was a long-suffering princess, and in spite of her myriad issues with the show and the producers, I think she brought a great deal of depth and honesty to constant melodramatic churn. Garland played a slightly more mature Kelly, who had more complicated romances as well as more complex relationships with family members like Eden.