This is the Presidential Campaign Thread.

Barack Obama Vs. John McCain.

Edited November 6, 200817 yr by Toups

I do find that interesting. I find it hard to believe that Virginia is leaning Obama, when they haven't voted Democrat since FDR.

Actually, the last time they voted Democratic for President was in 1964 with Johnson. Virginia has been trending Democratic the past few cycles, so it's not that big of a stretch.

Florida leaning Obama is a bit surprising, I thought it would be closer than that at this point. The Republican ticket is scrambling right now

Well, they are throwing the BS towards him. If the ecomonic crisis hadn't hit, no telling where these polls and states would be.

But, with real life as a constant, the people are seeing who handles it better. And for once, Obama being calm and cool seems to be benefitting him, as it should.

Actually, the last time they voted Democratic for President was in 1964 with Johnson. Virginia has been trending Democratic the past few cycles, so it's not that big of a stretch.

I think Virginia is a dead tie right now 49/49. I think it will go McCain though. Did it go for Clinton?

I think Nevada will go Obama. Colorado may go Obama. Obama needs Ohio or Florida. I'm hoping he gets both.

Ambiguous is what you are...

Ok..you are reading a whole lot into what I wrote...You made it seem as if you have no personal stake in this election...then you do...now you dont...

I dont really care..

Then why even ask?

One minute you seem to take issue with my not taking this all seriously enough and the next you want to make a bet on the election outcome like it's some sort of a ball game.

Actually, the last time they voted Democratic for President was in 1964 with Johnson. Virginia has been trending Democratic the past few cycles, so it's not that big of a stretch.

Thanks for clearing that up for us, Redd.

Florida leaning Obama is a bit surprising, I thought it would be closer than that at this point. The Republican ticket is scrambling right now, Palin was even in Nebraska the other day, which is solid red.

Real Clear Politics still has it as a toss-up with Obama up by 3.1%--Also, there hasn't been a FL poll released since 10/05

RCP Average 09/27 - 10/05 -- 48.4 45.3 Obama +3.1

FOX News/Rasmussen 10/05 - 10/05 1000 52 45 Obama +7

Florida Chamber ® 09/30 - 10/01 619 42 45 McCain +3

CNN/Time 09/28 - 09/30 51 47 Obama +4

InAdv/PollPosition 09/30 - 09/30 49 46 Obama +3

Suffolk/WSVN 09/27 - 09/30 46 42 Obama +4

Quinnipiac 09/27 - 09/29 51 43 Obama +8

SurveyUSA 09/27 - 09/2847 48 McCain +1

PPP (D) 09/27 - 09/2849 46 Obama +3

It worries me that FOX News has McCain down in FL..LOL!

Then why even ask?

One minute you seem to take issue with my not taking this all seriously enough and the next you want to make a bet on the election outcome like it's some sort of a ball game.

I didn't ask..you volunteered. I said I hope you wouldn't be in a joking mood after the debate..then I got you life story..

Edited October 7, 200817 yr by Casey008

Actually, the last time they voted Democratic for President was in 1964 with Johnson. Virginia has been trending Democratic the past few cycles, so it's not that big of a stretch.

You're right. I forgot about that election. They've voted for Dems twice since FDR..Truman in 1948 and LBJ 1964 ...44 years ago.

Edited October 7, 200817 yr by Casey008

Alrighty then..

Well..that was my attempt to discuss issues...but once again..I guess I am the more popular subject.

Well, Casey, several pages back I tried to discuss the death penalty with you (and a few other posters mentioned something about it as well) and it went ignored.

Don't try to claim that you are the only one interested in issues in this thread. You say that, but then turn around with your non-issue "October Surprise", Ayers and this last stupid ass article about some bigot in Kenya. Those aren't issues. Not even close.

It hurts my feelings to hear a fellow Amanda fan say that. It's up to you.

I'm not sure what I said that made you think I was supporting McCain's use of "gook". I was trying to explain..why he may have said what he said. I did not mean to condone it.

Well, the fact of the matter is that you did come across as condoning it. You rationalized his use of the word in saying he as tortured. Never once did you say he was wrong in uttering that word. Never once. If that's not condoning his use of the word, I don't know what is.

You're right. I forgot about that election. They've voted for Dems twice since FDR..Truman in 1948 and LBJ 1964 ...44 years ago.

There's been a shift in N. VA to the Democrats. I believe Ryan posted something on this earlier and your candidate's brother called them "communists". Going by your rationale against Gwen Ifell, then I could say that John McCain himself agrees with his brother's statement and has called Northern VA Democrats communists.

But I won't.

Seriously, how can you support a party as divisive this? Do you agree with the complete and utter [!@#$%^&*] that spews forth from their pie holes? How do you justify it? Before you answer that, let me just say that if Obama or anyone with the slightest connection to him said the same thing, you would be here crying about it.

Well, Casey, several pages back I tried to discuss the death penalty with you (and a few other posters mentioned something about it as well) and it went ignored.

Don't try to claim that you are the only one interested in issues in this thread. You say that, but then turn around with your non-issue "October Surprise", Ayers and this last stupid ass article about some bigot in Kenya. Those aren't issues. Not even close.

What did ask about the death penalty? I must have missed that.

Stupid-ass article? Why are all of you becoming so militant? Your man is in the lead...

Well, the fact of the matter is that you did come across as condoning it. You rationalized his use of the word in saying he as tortured. Never once did you say he was wrong in uttering that word. Never once. If that's not condoning his use of the word, I don't know what is.

Well I wasn't. I said he should have known better. How is that condoning it?

I shouldn't have tried to defend him on that like Roman asked me...I should have seen it as a baited challenge (which is was)..Oh well..

Edited October 7, 200817 yr by Casey008

There's been a shift in N. VA to the Democrats. I believe Ryan posted something on this earlier and your candidate's brother called them "communists". Going by your rationale against Gwen Ifell, then I could say that John McCain himself agrees with his brother's statement and has called Northern VA Democrats communists.

Did John McCain call his brother brilliant? That the rationale I was using with Ifill and her cousin..

Seriously, how can you support a party as divisive this? Do you agree with the complete and utter [!@#$%^&*] that spews forth from their pie holes? How do you justify it? Before you answer that, let me just say that if Obama or anyone with the slightest connection to him said the same thing, you would be here crying about it.

What specifically are you talking about? "complete and utter---spews from pie holes'? I don't know that you are talking about..

What did ask about the death penalty? I must have missed that.

Stupid-ass article? Why are all of you becoming so militant? Your man is in the lead...

Well I wasn't. I said he should have known better. How is that condoning it?

I shouldn't have tried to defend him on that like Roman asked me...I should have seen it as a baited challenge (which is was)..Oh well..

That is just.....

Sad.

You were the one who responded to that post, but now I BAITED you.

You can't take responsibility for nothing! It is truly sad.

Well I wasn't. I said he should have known better. How is that condoning it?

I shouldn't have tried to defend him on that like Roman asked me...I should have seen it as a baited challenge (which is was)..Oh well..

No you shouldn't have tried to defend it because something like that has no defense and in doing so you were implicitly condoning it....especially when you asked a question along the lines of whether a person would prefer a terrorist to a racist.

Obama isn't a terrorist and McCain did make a racist remark....

That is just.....

Sad.

You were the one who responded to that post, but now I BAITED you.

You can't take responsibility for nothing! It is truly sad.

No you shouldn't have tried to defend it because something like that has no defense and in doing so you were implicitly condoning it....especially when you asked a question along the lines of whether a person would prefer a terrorist to a racist.

Obama isn't a terrorist and McCain did make a racist remark....

Would you all rather I left this thread..so as to allow you to pat each other on the backs...Not very interesting if you ask me, but ...I'm not going to continue to take this crap.

I'm not a bigot and I did not condone McCain's use of gook.

Edited October 7, 200817 yr by Casey008

Did John McCain call his brother brilliant? That the rationale I was using with Ifill and her cousin..

Your rationale is weak. People can be brilliant and say stupid things (not that I know anything about Ifill's cousin). People can think the world of their relatives and those relatives can still say stupid things so complimenting her cousin does not constitute and implicit agreement of everything her cousin says.

Again with the apples and oranges since Ifill isn't running for office.

We have no idea what McCain has said or will say about his brother. What we do know is that his brother is for all intents and purposes his surrogate since he was out campaigning on his behalf. Now none of us are saying that McCain shares his brother's beliefs....yet it's hard for you to acknowledge that Ifill is not a candidate and so irrelevant and that she doesn't have to believe everything her cousin says.