Eh, let her go, not like it will make much of a difference.

Ya got that right. I don't know why I'm even surprised anymore.

Surprised at Donna's ouster. She's one who I thought was at P&G as a lifer...her AW was uneven...but she got Linda Dano's Emmy winning storyline (Felicia the Alcoholic) up and running (Peggy Sloane took it the distance) and for THAT I am forever grateful.

So sue me but I'm one of those diehard Sally Sussman Morina fans. She and Sony are still on wonderful terms (hence her husband) and I loved her stint at DAYS. She worked at Y&R in the 80s, was back for the end of Alden/Smith and is available. I wouldn't be surprised, or upset, to see her surface.

I remember reading somewhere after LML was fired that it was between Sally Sussman and LML for the Headwriter position.

I remember reading somewhere after LML was fired that it was between Sally Sussman and LML for the Headwriter position.

Wasn't Sally one of LML's firings, as well? I think she was let go around the same time Bibel was let go.

Surprised at Donna's ouster. She's one who I thought was at P&G as a lifer...her AW was uneven...but she got Linda Dano's Emmy winning storyline (Felicia the Alcoholic) up and running (Peggy Sloane took it the distance) and for THAT I am forever grateful.

So sue me but I'm one of those diehard Sally Sussman Morina fans. She and Sony are still on wonderful terms (hence her husband) and I loved her stint at DAYS. She worked at Y&R in the 80s, was back for the end of Alden/Smith and is available. I wouldn't be surprised, or upset, to see her surface.

Me too! SSM =

i dont follow writers much but i do love that woman.

SOAPSFOREVER, tell us who is your ideal Head Writer for Y&R.

My pick: THE LABINES, mainly because they write character, not plot. Though Claire doesn't have a history with Y&R, she'd surround herself with people who do, and she'd be true to the Bill Bell vision. I'd also bring back the strong cadre of writers from the glory days of Y&R, outliners and scripters. In my dream world, I'd make sure Barbara Bloom was sidelined and had no input whatesoever. Same for Sony. I'd give control of the show back to the HW and writing team. And while I believe a strong EP can do wonders for a show, it still and always will be about the writing (though I'd love to see Ed Scott back at EP, and the directors he took with him to DAYS).

I'd also bring back the strong cadre of writers from the glory days of Y&R, outliners and scripters.

Oh, look at that!! I agree completely! I think this is (at least partly) in agreement with my suggestions in the dream team thread.

Edited June 12, 200817 yr by Sylph

But.....for Y&R....it makes PERFECT sense. Y&R was (emphasis on was) so different than the other soaps and it a very particular style of story telling. You can't just bring in someone new to write this show and it's already been proven.....TWICE! You NEED someone who trained under Bill Bell, someone who knows Y&R's writing STRUCTURE/FORMAT.....who knows the show inside out....someone who worked closely with Bill Bell.....someone who worked closely with Kay Alden. Up until LML took over, Y&R's viewers have been trained to watch the show one way, so when Y&R started to change, most ppl were like, "WTF is going on. This isn't Y&R!" Y&R was a show that built from within. Bill Bell------>Kay Alden------>Jack Smith--------->Whos' next in line? There's two female writers who fits the bill (no pun intended). I'm willing to put my blind faith into them. They are BELL WRITERS and you need BELL WRITERS to HEAD WRITE a BELL SHOW.

Even with all these capitals and scandalous use of bolded text, this post makes no sense.

True. They might have not worked directly under Bell, but they still lived and breathed the Bell atmosphere - they know how the show works.

"Lived and breathed the Bell atmosphere"? What the hell does this mean?! I think two pages ago we discussed this - just because someone was there for a long time, that does not make him/her HW material. Or good writer, for that matter. You should also re-read my post about naive newbies.

Yeah, I can see that. She's too busy to a HW now. But I do believe she should be in line for the HW position years down the road.

Why lose valuable time on someone who just wouldn't be the right person?

That's why you give her a chance and see how it goes.

See how it goes?! See how it goes?! The person in charge of a soap can either earn millions or lose them (for a network, production company), make irreparable changes to a soap, it's just not as simple as "see how it goes". You can't bring a shepherd from the Alps and put him in charge waiting to see how it goes.

Edited June 12, 200817 yr by Sylph

<<< Huuuge Sally Sussman-Morina fan. I loved when she head wrote DAYS. I would be over the moon if she head wrote Y&R.

"Lived and breathed the Bell atmosphere"? What the hell does this mean?! I think two pages ago we discussed this - just because someone was there for a long time, that does not make him/her HW material. Or good writer, for that matter. You should also re-read my post about naive newbies.

Why lose valuable time on someone who just wouldn't be the right person?

See how it goes?! See how it goes?! The person in charge of a soap can either earn millions or lose them (for a network, production company), make irreparable changes to a soap, it's just not as simple as "see how it goes". You can't bring a shepherd from the Alps and put him in charge waiting to see how it goes.

Again, I agree, Sylph. (Really, this has to stop... )

I think OLTL had it right when they made Ron co-head for seven months first. He was new, nobody knew if he could do it, he'd been a breakdown writer for, like, ten years but that doesn't mean he'd make a good head writer (not to mention the numerous bad head writers he worked under... and who knew how many bad habits he picked up from them?)

So I really wouldn't mind if one of the "newbies" was given the co-head position. Usually, that involves just assisting the head writer in laying out story, structuring the weeks, and I think it's a great way to "test it out" without risking millions, like you rightfully said, Sylph.

ETA: And let them do it for a year or two. Really learn the ropes. I'm not saying someone should be rushed into that position. It was different with Dena and Ron because Ron was clearly making changes for the better and DH was floundering. If you're going to mentor somebody, REALLY mentor them. I could get behind Claire for a year or two, with Sara as her co-head. (Claire's pretty much retired anyway, so I don't think it would bruise her ego at all to come out of retirement for a year or two to test this out)

Edited June 12, 200817 yr by brimike

Even with all these capitals and scandalous use of bolded text, this post makes no sense.

Yeah, I'm not surprised you didn't get it.

"Lived and breathed the Bell atmosphere"? What the hell does this mean?!

It means someone from the Bell world. Someone who worked with Bill and Kay.

I think two pages ago we discussed this - just because someone was there for a long time, that does not make him/her HW material.

Same goes for someone who has never written or watched the show before. The conclusion for both sides is we just don't know for sure.

You should also re-read my post about naive newbies.

No thanks, reading it once was enough.

See how it goes?! See how it goes?! The person in charge of a soap can either earn millions or lose them (for a network, production company), make irreparable changes to a soap, it's just not as simple as "see how it goes".

Yeah, you give them a chance.....like Ron Carlivati for example. Or Karen Harris at Port-Carles for another example. Or Brash/Cwikly at DAYS. They did very well when they were give a shot. It's just too bad they didn't last very long - stupid decisions by TPTB.

Toups.....This is the same Karen Harris who wrote for the Incredible Hulk?? She was featured in the extras for the Incredible Hulk DVD that just came out. She said how she wrote for the audience. What she thought they wanted to see. Funny thing is that Hulk's majority of viewers was women and not men or kids. I found that very interesting.

Maybe Karen Harris can be hired to write for ATWT.

Maybe Karen Harris can be hired to write for ATWT.

I would actually LOVE that, but no way would Goutman let someone who actually thinks for themselves "head write" his show.

Yeah, I'm not surprised you didn't get it.

I got it; but you're completely wrong about stuff. However, never mind, I won't try to change your mind. It never works.

It means someone from the Bell world. Someone who worked with Bill and Kay.

Oh... If you only knew...

No thanks, reading it once was enough.

Obviously, it wasn't. But, hey, who cares?