22 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Finale aside, few shows have made me think they should not go past two seasons more than China Beach.

You didn't like the last two seasons?

I dunno, I thought CB was a class act from beginning to end. Very well done, with a level of talent on both sides of the camera you don't see much nowadays on network TV. It's definitely better than CBS' "Tour of Duty," which ran around the same time, I think, but constantly had to reboot/revamp itself each season, and wasn't as honest about the horrors of the Vietnam War.

Oh stuff like China Beach does occupy a weird space in time. The Vietnam war certainly did push a lot of shows that weren't necessarily that mainstream.

Also, Dana Delaney has a great plastic surgeon. She looks amazing to this day.

13 minutes ago, Khan said:

You didn't like the last two seasons?

I dunno, I thought CB was a class act from beginning to end. Very well done, with a level of talent on both sides of the camera you don't see much nowadays on network TV. It's definitely better than CBS' "Tour of Duty," which ran around the same time, I think, but constantly had to reboot/revamp itself each season, and wasn't as honest about the horrors of the Vietnam War.

Too much focus on McMurphy's life (that dreary French doctor...), just too much focus on McMurphy, period, and I felt like they went overboard in reminding us of how terrible Vietnam was when we already knew that. There was a whole episode about some young soldier who was paralyzed and I just remember a lot of Robert Picardo screaming and I felt like someone had gotten their student film script sent through.

The fourth season is better, the story with KC is very moving, but again, so many repeated beats with McMurphy and her love life and all of her angst, literally every man in the cast being in love with her aside from Boonie (they must have run out of time).

I also thought they did Frankie dirty.

To me the two-parter where she went back home to see her dying father was a perfect conclusion.

God, I'm so horrible that I keep thinking that Tyler Perry is fascinating from a self-hating gay perspective. Veronica in The Haves and the Have Nots is clearly his mother stand-in. Yet, Tyler, I'm sure your mom isn't that hateful. She's just a camp parody of the homophobic mother without much effort put behind her motivations.

Also, why on earth are people watching Tyler Perry shows?

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It cracks me up that Central Park West rips are still largely those I did in the early 2000s. I need to get a better tv ripper and crack this open:

13 hours ago, te. said:

Also, why on earth are people watching Tyler Perry shows?

People of color are glad to have any representation or visibility, regardless of quality.

13 hours ago, te. said:

God, I'm so horrible that I keep thinking that Tyler Perry is fascinating from a self-hating gay perspective.

You aren't the only one who's fascinated by that, lol.