there have been

OLTL:

Antonio/Roseanne

Cristian/Roseanne

GH:

Sonny/Lily

Miguel/Lily

Sunset Beach:

Ricardo/Paula

Ricardo/Gabi

Antonio/Gabi

those are the ones I could think of off the top of my head

If I recall, these couples were considered the "bad" couples, the ones we weren't supposed to root for. For example, wasn't Roseanne supposed to be a spoiler for Antonio/Andie and/or Cristian/Jessica? It's that old racist story in which an Old World/minority character (Antonio/Cristian) wants to "break free" of his/her backward, intolerant culture and aspires to something "better."

It's sad that a couple like Angie/Jessie on AMC would be marginalized as a "token black, politically correct, backburner couple" these days. Same-race minority couples can have just as much frontburner potential as interracial couples. Then again, it's hard to maintain minority characters on majority-white soaps if there isn't some romantic flexibility. Otherwise, they get stuck in a "ghetto," so to speak, in which they only interact with characters of their race, which was a real problem on Y&R until they started testing Malcolm/Phyllis (which was OK), Neil/Victoria (blah), and Brad/Olivia (disastrous).

Edited February 5, 200718 yr by Faulkner

It's sad that a couple like Angie/Jessie on AMC would be marginalized as a "token black, politically correct, backburner couple" these days. Same-race minority couples can have just as much frontburner potential as interracial couples. Then again, it's hard to maintain minority characters on majority-white soaps if there isn't some romantic flexibility. Otherwise, they get stuck in a "ghetto," so to speak, in which they only interact with characters of their race, which was a real problem on Y&R until they started testing Malcolm/Phyllis (which was OK), Neil/Victoria (blah), and Brad/Olivia (disastrous).

Yeah, I've thought of this too. Which is more of an insult to the minority community? Having a situation where the minority characters are married to each other with no flexibility or having minority characters that have interracial relationships? I think the answer is to have enough characters of different races and backgrounds, so that you can have it both ways. Then just follow the chemistry, which is something I wish soaps would do a lot more often.

I wasn't watching AMC when they tried to make the Fusion girls into SITC type characters, but I don't think they should rip off that show. Just model a character or two in the mold of independent single women who want to stay that way for awhile. One of the issues I have with daytime is the unrealistic portrayal of motherhood. At least Y&R is showing a post partum depression story (I think), which is something.

Edited February 5, 200718 yr by Juliajms

If I recall, these couples were considered the "bad" couples, the ones we weren't supposed to root for. For example, wasn't Roseanne supposed to be a spoiler for Antonio/Andie and/or Cristian/Jessica? It's that old racist story in which an Old World/minority character (Antonio/Cristian) wants to "break free" of his/her backward, intolerant culture and aspires to something "better."

It's sad that a couple like Angie/Jessie on AMC would be marginalized as a "token black, politically correct, backburner couple" these days. Same-race minority couples can have just as much frontburner potential as interracial couples. Then again, it's hard to maintain minority characters on majority-white soaps if there isn't some romantic flexibility. Otherwise, they get stuck in a "ghetto," so to speak, in which they only interact with characters of their race, which was a real problem on Y&R until they started testing Malcolm/Phyllis (which was OK), Neil/Victoria (blah), and Brad/Olivia (disastrous).

I get what you mean for hte ABC soaps but the ones I listed for Sunset Beach were defiently not the "bad" couples. Ricardo/Paula were one of their premiere couples and the Antonio/Gabi/Ricardo triangle was pretty big in its last year with both pairings having rooting value

I get what you mean for hte ABC soaps but the ones I listed for Sunset Beach were defiently not the "bad" couples. Ricardo/Paula were one of their premiere couples and the Antonio/Gabi/Ricardo triangle was pretty big in its last year with both pairings having rooting value

It's too bad Sunset Beach didn't survive; it was a really diverse show with a lot of potential. It's interesting how a lot of the recent NBC soaps - Santa Barbara, Sunset Beach, and Passions - all had strong Latino casts in leading roles. ABC and CBS also had their Latino "phases" back in the '90s, but only the Vegas on OLTL survived.

Going after the Latino market makes total sense. Latino's are quickly becoming the largest minority, so I think there is potential there. B&B was in a good place to capitalize on that, since the show takes place in LA, yet they wrote most of their Latino characters off. It's too bad. Now that Sally is gone and Spectra is no more :( Maybe it's time for another rival fashion house. Introduce a Latino family as the rivals and finally stop the incest by proxy that's been going on for years. I can dream, can't I?

Edited February 5, 200718 yr by Juliajms

Going after the Latino market makes total sense. Latino's are quickly becoming the largest minority, so I think there is potential there. B&B was in a good place to capitalize on that, since the show takes place in LA, yet they wrote most of their Latino characters off. It's too bad. Now that Sally is gone and Spectra is no more :( Maybe it's time for another rival fashion house. Introduce a Latino family as the rivals and finally stop the incest by proxy that's been going on for years. I can dream, can't I?

Ha. Yes. And that's actually a great idea...to create a Latino rival fashion house. Saundra Santiago (ex-Carmen, GL) would be brilliant going toe-to-toe with Susan Flannery, and perhaps Lindsey Hartley can join the show when PASSIONS goes off the air.

It's always been baffling to me how a fashion-based drama set in L.A. would have few LATINOS, few ASIANS, and no GAY MEN. You'd think Stephanie would have spat out at least one gay son.

Edited February 5, 200718 yr by Faulkner

^I've never bought Ridge as truly straight...lol.

Edited February 5, 200718 yr by nassaunew

Hmmm Having a gay designer would be a stereotype, but when you have nothing, I think even a stereotype is a step up. B&B has no diversity at all. It's insane.

Edited February 5, 200718 yr by Juliajms

I was thinking today about how a few of the soaps I watch are starting to bore me a little. I was trying to think of ways they could be more interesting. It's always been obvious that soaps lack diversity, but it just struck me hard today, how tired I am of watching people who are all mostly like me (white, straight, late 20's). Why are soaps so afraid of diversity? I was just thinking today, that I can't even think of one middle eastern character (nevermind family) in all of soaps. There are so many good stories that could come out of that. But then the only soap I can think of that even recognizes we have a war going on is Days.

There aren't that many African American or Latino characters either. Not to mention gay and lesbian characters are few and far between and don't get much in the way of love scenes. I think there's a lot of potential there too. And of course, we all know how older characters and actors have been treated lately, but the baby boom generation is huge and entering their 50's/60's. Even though I don't want to see all characters like myself, I'm not sure if I would be interested in a show that had no one like myself either. So wouldn't more people be likely to watch if there was more inclusion?

I guess what I'm asking is, why do you think TPTB haven't given us much diversity, in terms of race, orientation and age? If it's because they think it won't sell do you believe they are right about that? Or are they just too lazy to make changes and take a risk?

I agree with you 100% The lack of diversity is also probably causing lower ratings IMO.

B&B created a Hispanic male designer. Then, they paired him with Kristen Forrester. Then, they gave him HIV+. Then, they had the couple adopt an HIV+ African son. Then, they wrote the family off the show.

*rolling eyes*

Their other Hispanic characters were canned recently.

I loved GENERATIONS. *sigh*

The lack of diversity is disturbing.

However, I don't want to see characters just bring characters on so they can say they have Hispanic characters or African-Americans. If they bring them on, write for them. I love seeing shows putting them in frontburner stories. That is why I was so happy when Days' Lexie and Abe finally started being used in 2000. They had been nothing but minor to supporting character for years and they finally were given meaty material. It was great.

One thing about shows like Sunset Beach, Santa Barbara, and Passions is they really tried to diversify and utilize the characters on the frontburner. Passions had families of different classes, race, etc. It was great and I applaud them for that, If only more shows would do that.