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Is it? Well then, they actually have done nothing original in this pilot.

NYC An episode laying some groundwork it seems. Say what we may about Ramona but Avery turned out to be such a smart, decent human being that Ramona had to have done something right. It's interesting to see Ramona listen and take (good) advice from her daughter. The rehabilitation of Bethenny continues. And they're doing a good job. I love Dress For Success. Such an admirable charity and in line with Bethenny's whole vibe. Sonja is a hilarious wing woman. She can definitely keep her eyes on the prize better than Tinsley. It was interesting to see how badly Tinsley wanted that 23 year old. And she got him. Sonja needs to offload that townhouse. It is an albatross. She will be so much better off without it. I can't believe Carole. What a bitch talking about LuAnn and Tom with that "friend" of LuAnn's at Dorinda's auction. It's so mean at this point. She is simply being catty about LuAnn sticking things out with Tom. She isn't concerned. She just wants to laugh at her.

That trailer and pilot scene were terrible. As others have said, all the production values of porn with the same acting talent. Rafael de La Fuente is the only actor on this show with any charisma. Writing Krystle as a gold digger is so wrong...terrible actress. So unlikeable. I do enjoy Fallon biting the head off the cake topper (I've never seen that done, surprised daytime hasn't done that one)...but overall none of these characters can be rooted for. Dame Joan should only touch this thing if they offer her a fortune. But I suspect they won't be contacting her. The CW's president made a statement about "if schedules and story work out" then they'd look at having some original actors on. About as non-committal as it gets. If she does appear I hope she insists on a fortune. Dame Joan should stick to The Royals - now that is a character worthy of her.

There is not going to be a Toronto reunion because (according to Kara) the women refused to share a couch with her. I would say while I agree with your critical assessment of Roxy, who I couldn't be friends with IRL because she's such a bigmouth, I definitely preferred her to Kara who showed some really ugly angles to her personality. The kind of ugliness that's intrinsic to a person and can't be undone. Ann and Joan are absolutely model Housewives. Ann is fabulous and your comparison to LVP is spot on. Joan is a very classy woman. I thought it was moving at the end of the show when the individual freeze frames noted it was Ann who arranged for Jana to be flown back and hospitalized in Toronto. I enjoyed Grego and Jana. They're the B story Housewives but both had a purpose. I especially enjoyed Jana saying "We don't give a sh*t!" when Kara banged on about her Italian dinner party and Grego's family life was cute. Toronto was a really well done franchise. I so appreciated how light it could be - like Season 1 Vancouver and much of Melbourne. If you can be bothered to endure Sydney I look forward to your thoughts. They were the nastiest cast I've ever seen. Not one of them was truly likeable.

Agreed about Ann. She is my favourite too. Joan is also my second favourite. Both of these women are so calm, collected, and sensible. And fun! The other blond is Jana - the yoga teacher. I think she and Grego definitely had a more supporting role for Joan, but you will see more from both of them as the season progresses. Roxy and Kara...sigh. My opinions on both waxed and waned as the season went on. Stay tuned. Toronto was filmed to its absolute best, just as Vancouver was. Lisa Rinna owns a cottage in Muskoka like several of the Housewives so a crossover would have been entertaining.

RH of Toronto What a great franchise. Like the first season of Vancouver, the show's bitch got her comeuppance in the finale. Deeply satisfying. RH of Cheshire I KNEW something was going on with Ester. Ampika and Lauren remain hilarious. Dawn's insecurity is showing. RH of Sydney Thank goodness this season is over. What a horrible show filled with truly awful women. I'll never waste my time with this franchise again. Bring on Melbourne!

The Conrad Hilton fiasco really gives one pause about how Kim always says Kathy is the "good sister"...well you don't see Kyle's kids in court or getting arrested. I dislike Kyle and all her crap, but she's definitely been loaded up with a serious burden with her family.

I really hope Dame Joan is somehow involved in this. This is a reboot - why not make Alexis the mother of Blake?

Phaedra got destroyed. If Bravo doesn't fire her they have zero integrity.

@Antoyne HALLELUJAH! Pettifleur is the most insufferable bitch I've seen on a Housewives franchise. Auckland was explosive. That's Anne! Love Anne. Angela Stone was the craziest housewife I've ever seen. Delusion, thy name is Angela.

Oh my... This looks explosive. Phaedra is going down. I truly hope OC's Tamra gets hers. It's been years...judgment time should finally be upon her. And it should be brutal.

I just looked up that OWN Where Are They Now episode with Estelle and for 87 at the time she looked and sounded amazing - she basically hadn't aged. And what a huge apartment!

BH Reunion Part 3 A mediocre ending for a mediocre season. I'm glad Eileen called out Kim's ass for looking down on her for being a soap actress. And Kim admitted it. What a stupid, irrelevant, snob with NONE of the money to back it up - what a bitch. I can't stand Rinna, but Kim is so much worse. Rinna is burning all her bridges a la Brandi...quite the fall from where she started. I'm surprised she went so hard on Dorit when the footage of Eden and Dorit was so blatantly against Eden. NYC This season is so fun. Praise the Bravo gods. I love Luann's house - beautiful, tasteful, appropriate, renovation at its best. I loved Dorinda's tirade on Sonja - but I loved even more how they just go over it. Smart. Smart. Smart. I was living for the cameo from Candace Bushnell aka Carrie Bradshaw of Sex and the City. She's a friend of Luann's...does that mean Luann is the Samantha? PS: Ramona is turning 60? She looks [!@#$%^&*] fabulous.

I actually think Rinna has a point. Kim can lie and say she didn't want to be on the show that day but we all know that's nonsense. We also all know that Kim is sick and a mean person. Rinna is a whack job, but she doesn't have the basic mean streak that Kim does. Where Rinna faulted is not admitting it's a symbiotic relationship - they need each other (and Eileen needs them) to stay on the show. I love the look LVP had when Kyle said she and Kim were the first two on the show. Andy himself has said LVP was the first cast and the reason it got greenlit.

RHOA A filler episode for sure but the stuff with Sheree was interesting. Bob certainly left some emotional scars on her. It's the most sympathetic Sheree has ever looked.

Falcon Crest as a sitcom, it's amazing what an added laugh track can do:

I agree - this season is all about rehabbing Bethenny's image. Whatever, it's fine. I don't think taking shots at Luann isn't going to help her cause. But Bethenny can't really hide who she is. I love Dorinda and Sonja. I'm glad we're getting this confrontation over with right off the bat. It'll be interesting to see how badly Sonja is slaughtered because sober Dorinda is lethal. Carole and the election. UGH. Insufferable.

I concur with all of this, with one caveat: Kim is still a piece of sh*t. I actually didn't find myself as against Rinna in the 'Bunny Scene' as I'd expected. That was just plain low of Kim. She kicked Rinna when she was down and demonstrated that she hasn't improved one iota and is still "a liar and sick and an alcoholic!" (copyright Kyle Richards 2010)...Kim hasn't changed a bit. She still thinks she's better than the rest of 'em and the fact of the matter is she ain't. I sort of empathized with Eileen seeking out Rinna and reiterating to her that what Kim did with the bunny was calculated. Of course it was. There's no denying that. Kim planned it. Andy planned it. Much as I despise Rinna this season, Kim is no better and she's been an assh*le longer than Rinna has. It must gall Kyle that she'll never, ever, be the fan favourite. We see her for who she is and that must drive her crazy. Eden is a once and done. There is no need for her to come back next season.

Finished the last instalment of the reunion. Loved this season.

Potomac Monique's mother in law is atrocious...as was her friend's comments about her caucasian member of household staff. Gizelle and Charrisse are both cut from the same bitter cloth. They're over and they know it and they can't stand it so they'll keep hating on anyone younger than them. That 'champagne room' of Charrisse's is a pathetically contrived bit of story. That will not increase the value of the home she likely can't afford. Speaking of homes, Karen's house getting sold is a head scratcher. It's weird that she doesn't just say exactly why it's being sold and where she plans to move to. Being ambiguous is going to add fuel to the fire that she's broke. Ashley's marriage is doomed. How she has such poor common sense and business skills is beyond me. She isn't treating this restaurant like a business. I agree about Juan and Robyn: he's going to ride that relationship till she kicks him out. He knows she won't do it. And they need to get some discipline and manners instilled in their kids.

According to the Daily Mail the loan was given 4 years ago. Dawn was meant to start paying it back with interest 6 months after the loan was made. Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4216516/Real-Housewives-Cheshire-stars-feud-500-000-loan.html

She did an episode of that soap star reality show on SoapNet years ago. The wannabe actors had no clue of what greatness they were in the presence of. I absolutely agree that she gave the finest performance of an alcoholic on television, be it daytime or primetime. Jeanne Cooper is a distant second.

The small detail that you don't know about Dawn vs Leanne (because they haven't mentioned it on the show, despite it being all over the UK newspapers) is that, allegedly, Dawn borrowed 500,000 UK pounds sterling from Leanne, defaulted on her payments, and is now refusing to pay the loan back to Leanne and her husband. Ampika is a great housewife because she is fearless in her confrontations. She just throws all the sh*t at the wall and come what may she doesn't care. That's why I like Lauren too. Ester annoys me but she isn't as bad as Misse who was extra in the last couple of episodes. She was definitely welcome, but there's something about Potomac that I just don't like. These women, aside from Karen who I'm really enjoying this season, have zero class and they're incredibly uptight. Charisse is the worst of them - she's got the makeup of a drag queen AND the shoulders.

Potomac Episode 1 Man, this show is budget. All of these women have taken a step down from season 1. Robyn's 45 mile away townhouse is perfectly nice for a normal person. But that's not what I want to see from the Real Housewives. It reminded me of Lauri in Season 1 OC when she was living in the cat poop condo, selling insurance from Vicki's home office and on the hunt for a new husband. That worked for Lauri's storyline as a California trophy wife in her late 40s with a mess of a private life...but Robyn's storyline is just about people getting fleeced and/or poorly managing their finances. Charisse is trash. Absolute gutter. Gizelle is trash. She's just got a little bit more of the Vanessa L. Williams style polish to her trash than Charisse. But they're equally bad. Ashley is an idiot. I could not believe how she viewed the price of the beef dish at the Oz restaurant. "It's SUCH a small cost"...no...it's not profitable, nor does it break even. It's a major profit suck. LVP could teach all of these housewives a lot about going into the restaurant business: don't. It's simply too hard for average mortals. Karen is the only one I'm interested in watching. She seems to have burnished her sense of humour. If she has lost her money, that's a damn pity, but moving house as she has doesn't make sense.

NYC Another good episode that clearly demonstrates they've upped the production values noticeably. Case in point: when Bethenny made the crack about Luann's hat, and the editing snapped to a side shot of Luann walking down the street with the hat on, it looked cinematic. I like Tinsley for what she is: an upper class trainwreck. The stories about her and the Fanjul heir are worth a Google. I really loved her scene with Sonja about finding a new man - Sonja is hilarious and seems good hearted. I feel sorry for Sonja to an extent. This looks like a beat down of a season for her. I definitely understand where Dorinda's coming from and she's right to attack Sonja if Sonja has taken jabs at her - especially based on the stupidity of the Berkshires. Sonja should be grateful to Dorinda for keeping her out of it. But I don't understand why Luann can't take Sonja's words at face value. Tom is a cheater. Luann is cool with it. Sonja is saying she's there for Luann with or without Tom. While I do think Sonja would like to be married again, I don't think she'd actually stoop to Tom. Sonja has a strong sense of self (whether deluded at times or not) that Luann doesn't have (and I say that as someone who likes Luann!) Bethenny and Ramona and Carole didn't have much to contribute except snark. I loathed the scenes with Carole being a snob about her election knowledge. After watching her look down on Ramona, I look forward to seeing Carole crushed when Trump wins. She is so self righteous I understand why some people would vote for a politician like Trump just to stick it to people who act like Carole.