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In some ways TPTB were always preparing CG to take over as the show's "new Eden" in case MW left. This is the funny thing with recasts; sometimes we hate the new actor, sometimes we like the actor and hate him in the part, other times someone new takes over and the character becomes a new person and we don't mind at all. BTW CG would have been amazing on Y&R I never felt that Kimberly McArthur was meant to stay for a long time. Perhaps they were interested in another actress (Carrington?) and wanted to help the audience accept her easier. Keith was fun at first. After a while he and Gina became a joke like Jeffrey and Gloria.

Carrington Garland was a gorgeous woman and I liked her as actress, but she was never Kelly to me. Never. Many years ago I read that TPTB had considered recasting the part of Eden with Leann Hunley. Have you heard that? I didn't mind Louise Sorel written out, I had stopped caring for Augusta (not her portrayer) years ago. Thank God for the Dobsons bringing back the old Capwell set. They tried to write ED's Kelly like Eden and had Catrina as the nu-Kelly. I also liked Wanda de Jesus as Santana, but I still missed Ava Lazar. For me the show's best years were from 1984 to 1987. By 1988 it had started becoming too dark and sad for me.

This thread is amazing Some random thoughts: I hated the Clay/Alex twist and didn't believe that the aristocratic Aldens were suitable for that kind of story. The fact that Lisa Peluso took over as Ava during that period make me hate it even more. Egypt was great though, so was Minnie and I always thought that Todd would turn out to be Alex and Egypt's son. I loved early Loving when Marland was still around and we had family moments with the Donovans and later the Rescotts. Sometimes I think that his stories for Jack Forbes were ideas for his SORASed Phillip Spaulding, the adopted heir he was writing for on GL. In some ways Jack's Lily was Phillip's Beth, I considered Clay and Gwyneth's family too immoral and I liked Ann and Roger's better. Marland's Ava was a factory worker played by Patty Lutz. Similar to Nola Reardon, with the single mother, the many siblings and the boarding house. When he left, she became more like Erica Kane. I thought Patricia Kalember was rather boring as the show's leading lady during the first few months, not to mention not very nice for getting involved with a married man. I watched episodes from 1983 to 1989, then the show stopped airing here in Greece. The Dolly mess was horrible and not really connected to the key characters; I hated the Alex Masters story, never understood the point of all these random Beachum boys. Shannon Eubanks was great as Ann and the show should have kept Susan Walters and Linden Ashby around. Too many changes and the show would always get lost within a story that went too far.

I also saw Seth as the son gay viewers could identify with when I was watching as a kid. His leading lady was Emma.

I think that Stacey was created by Douglas Marland as a new version of Hilary Bauer and it worked for her. I never bought her as a leading lady. Watching all these clips and to this day I cannot accept Lisa Peluso as Ava. Roya gave life to that little show.

Bethanny feels the need to punish and humiliate every other woman for her mother's sins. She has taken the housewives thing way too seriously and treating it like an ugly divorce battle. I think that Crazy Kelly was the first to see who Bethanny really is lol. And Jill Zarin of course, who was as it turns out the Margo Channing to her Eve Harrington. Her toxic madness has ruined NY for me. She is way too sad and bitter to be part of such a lighthearted show.

Yolanda needs to go, she is nuts in scary way. She has started looking like a man, here's an idea for her next journey after failing to become a lifestyle guru and the face of every illness in the book. Eileen needs to go, she obviously doesn't want to film with her husband for her own reasons, she is way too serious, has 1993 hair and she likes people like Yolanda and Erika. I think her marriage is in big trouble, everyone knows it and she hates LVP for asking her how she met her husband. She is mean, not in a fun way. Erika needs to go. (BTW I don't believe her mother named her after Erica Kane, I think she named herself) The idea of a woman her age trying to act like a drag queen, pretending to be gay icon (to the poor guy who does her hair, you know the one whom she made act as though he didn't know who LVP is), claiming to have two personas where they is not enough material for one stopped being interesting after her second episode. Next year should be Rinna's last. She should leave after everybody realises that she is as crazy as Yolanda and Kim. This could be fun.

Somebody should tell Yolanda that perhaps her idea that everybody is after her is another symptom of her illness. For a woman who can't read a book, drive a car, walk, eat and who has told us herself that her brain doesn't work very often, she seems very sure that her perception of things is that clear. She thinks she is so much better than anybody else, but all I see is a bitter, sad woman who can only befriend aging bimbos who think she is smarter than them. Whether they are married to their rich grandfather or they are broke and obsessing over their ex isn't important to me. Eileen didn't want Kathryn to continue talking (and perhaps say the wrong thing?), so she started talking about the same stupid issue. I don't like her at all this season. Her marriage is awkward, her "stories" are sad and boring and she chose the wrong team. Plus she looks like someone who is visiting from 1993. Kathryn was brought because Yolanda is sick and keeps the production hostage. (Btw Yolanda thinks that looking sick is the same as looking like a late life lesbian for some reason) Kathryn looks like someone from the last Dallas season when nobody was watching. These women have to realise that they are the cast of another Vanderpump Rules show and stop going after the one housewife who doesn't have to cry, yell, bully, be a joke, or be a slut to be liked. Oh and somebody should explain to Erika that Erika Jayne is not her alter ego, it is her only personality. I am sure that Brandi -if she could ever stomach being married to her grandfather- would be classier than an aging stripper pretending to be a drag queen who pays random gay people to tell her she is a diva.

BH: I have no intention of watching a BH episode where everybody attacks Lisa. I guess Yolanda's illness is no longer playing with her mind when she has a group of mean girls to team against Lisa. Kim is a sad piece of trash and you can't blame anybody for not treating her like a normal person, because she is not. Brandi is being Brandi, only this time she targets someone I really like so I am through with her. Team Lisa all the way. They can all go away and I will still be watching Ken and Lisa playing with their dog. Atlanta: What Marlo did was act like early Nene. Nene knows the game really well and she sees what is happening. I am sick and tired of watching her go to all the events angry and furious and not really acting like someone who has arrived. She is becoming way too toxic.

Everybody is jealous of Lisa for being so popular without acting like a Nene or a Theresa. She is the smartest of them all, she is a successful businesswoman, she was chosen for DWTS and a spin-off, she is happily married and she knows how to play the housewives game like a lady without acting like a trashy drunk or an angry teen. I love her humor and she knows how to make fun of herself, her sex life etc. The others know that and they know her comments about them are not actually vicious attacks. Her joke about Mauricio and his little daughter was a JOKE. If a friend said it to my mother about my father and my sister she wouldn't start the fake soapy tears. Whatever Lisa says is considered so mean and horrible because you know, she is so smart. Her only mistake? Brandi. I understand she likes stray dogs, but she should have known from the Adrienne incident that this person is very toxic can't be trusted. If they are all around next year, Brandi will turn against Yolanda. Then she will find another older rich girlfriend to take her to parties and spend time in her beautiful mansion. Then she will realise that they are not on the same level and they will never will be and she will start acting crazy and mean all over again. The fact that most of you didn't like Adrienne, doesn't make what she did to her less horrible. Then she will try to defend herself by talking about Eddie, the boys and Chica.

I love Ramona, she reminds me of a real-life Lisa Miller Grimaldi. I hate LuAnn trying to act classy and sophisticated and then releasing a trashy drag queen song. And then she becomes way to mean for my taste. Kelly was gorgeous but had some serious issues. Never hated Jill and I couldn't stand Bethenny trying to act like Carrie Bradshaw and ordering skinnygirl drinks all the time. Alex and Simon I always thought they were a lot of fun. At first they were the show's joke, then I grew to really like her. * * * How original, everyone hates Lisa again. She is so mean and scary and she can understand what we think. Oh please. They all look so stupid and jealous. And the scene from next week's episode with that freak Kingsley's pet talking to Ken like that made me furious. Kingsley should have stayed home; Kim needs some training in order to stop peeing and barking all the time. * * * * Team Kenya all the way. Nene has been angry, jealous and violent for way too many years. Her constant talking about being rich is boring and almost sad. She has to realise that she is not the only one who can play these reality star tricks. I don't think that's the end of her, but she has been the most toxic Atlanta housewife for quite some time.

Nene has always been like this. Always attacking the one she is jealous of, trying to scare people by yelling in their face and insulting them. This is a part of the RH game I guess. I always found her a very angry person with a huge ego. She has never arrived as far as I am concerned and the more she talks about her success the more I see how empty her words are. The moment she started blaming Kenya for everything that happened and after reading her stupid comments about Brandon, I have stopped being interested in her persona. I'd rather watch Porsha talk.

Nene has always been very jealous of other women, especially when they are successful. She is not stupid, she knows she is part of a reality show bubble and that a new "Nene" can show up every day and take her spot. I think she promised production a huge fight, but we all know what kind of show we are watching, nothing new here. What I don't understand is how she is the only one allowed to yell in people's faces, looking ready to beat them up. Dwight and Kim are two examples. When Nene does it, she is Nene. When someone elses does it, they are a "bully". Kenya's friend Brandon was the only real man at that party. Between that loser hiding behind his wife and the "macho" brutal animals beating him up, he was the only one at the party who defended a lady against someone who grabbed her arm. Whic prison is worse for Apollo? The real one or Phaedra's bed? Nene had no right yelling at Kenya. Trying to make it look as though she started everything, was another one of her mistakes that night. Kenya looked GORGEOUS. I am not even talk about Kandi wanting Porsha in her musical.

Please NO Joanna on BH. If people think Brandi is trash, Joanna is ten times worse. I couldn't watch the entire Miami reunion because of her. She is a drunk (?) and a very mean person (not in a fun way)

I can't stand stupid Kim trying to start a feud with Lisa in order to have a story other than Kingsley. Brandi is royalty compared to that wacko, who doesn't seem that sober to me. I hate her talking heads and watching the Richards trying to act like teenagers all the time. Joyce uses the words bully and racist all the time in order to gain sympathy. A lot of people do that. When someone doesn't like you it doesn't make them a racist. For someone so sensitive with these things she should reconsider her "you can never be too young or too skinny" talk. I like Carlton as part of the group, I think Kim should be fired before any other housewife. I'd rather see Adrienne or Camille back.

I tried reading Joyce's blog. I think she hired a lawyer to write it for her. Then Michael had to check it out and correct some things. This was a lawyer's closing statement in court.

My BH thoughts so far: Kim: I HATE her talking heads. I don't find her funny at all. Let me get this straight.. Her story so far is that her dog couldn't stand her and needed some time away from her? Brandi's friend with the short hair who looks like a Bond girl is gorgeous. I wish we could watch her play with her pets instead of Kim. Brandi: She is indeed a mess. However she is not doing something much different from last season. Last year she chose to attack Adrienne (for reasons she never really explained) this time she is doing it to Joyce. I can't really hate her though. She seems like a very nice girl, I liked her with Yolanda's daughter, how she talks, she is fun etc, but she is someone I would avoid after some time. Kyle: She thinks she is still in school. She thinks she is a lot of fun. I can't stand watching her in her fake soap opera tears all the time. She is still obsessed with Lisa because she sees her as the most popular girl in school. Carlton: Everytime time I see her I am thinking VH1 for some reason. I like her talking heads and the fact that she can't stand Kyle. The situation with the husband, the nannies and the secret room is not that interesting. It is just weird. Joyce: She is gorgeous but she acts like an annoying and less interesting version of Karent Sierra. Brandi gave her the beautiful gift of a storyline out of nowhere. She is trying too hard though and she is way too choreographed. And she is friends with Kyle and with Kingsley's stalker. I adore Lisa. I love Yolanda. They show that you can be a very interesting housewive without acting like a joke. While everybody else is crying about stupid things or fighting like little kids and showing no dignity at all, Lisa and Yolanda -whether you agree with them or not- act and talk like normal human beings.

I just watched Tom and Margo's 1983 wedding and this is a different show from 1979. Justin Deas reminds me of Roger Howarth as Tom. He can be annoying one moment and a lot of fun the next.

Ava should have been Olivia's daughter instead of Delia Ryan's. I have been watching some mid-eighties episodes and I see that the Sanders family is very prominent. Was it during the time the O'Neils were also around with Didi, Harry, Kristen Vigard and Liz Keifer? Were TPTB thinking of moving the show to a new direction at the time? It was the same period that ANOTHER WORLD had the Loves and the McKinnons. Were these shows trying to do what Bill Bell did on Y&R with the Abbott and the Williams families or I just happened to run across some episodes the featured the Sanders and the O'Neils very heavily?

With Robin Mattson back as Hope I doupt the character would be a typical heroine any longer. Kim Zimmer's Hope could become a little bit like her Nola Aldrich. The no longer innocent alcoholic wife of a rich man. Too bad that we never got to see the entire Carrie story. Perhaps shooting Jackie might have something to do with Phillip's real identity. I fell in love with Marland's GL and no other writer could ever make me love the show the same way after that. The mid-eighties were a NIGHTMARE.

Do you think that Kim Zimmer could have worked as a recast (and "stronger") Hope Bauer Spaulding instead of Reva in 1983/84?

Has anyone ever told us what Marland's original plans for Carrie were? Was there ever talk of a little boy from what I remember? Marland probably used some of his Carrie ideas on ATWT. Was it ever hinted that Phillip was Carrie's son? I have been speculating that some of Marland's thoughts for Carrie were used on Iva Snyder.

Adrienne had to discover these things about Brandi last year. After the Canada and Miami fiascos (and OC's very boring season) I think I have lost my interest in the HW shows and I am several episodes behind. Too much silly drama without any fun.

These 1979 are perfection! It looks as though a new headwriter/executive producer has taken over after the end of the Willows story. Lisa is "lighter" as a character, we get many group scenes and it looks as though several characters are on their way out. (Ralph, Valerie, Kate, Jay with Bennett and Hester already gone) I don't think that this Tom, Sheila, Grant, Don and Mary lasted much longer, did they? The Andropoulos brother, James Stenbeck and Hippy Tom were on their way to the show along with Margo, Lyla, Brad, Eric, nu-Natalie and Dana Delaney's character, right?

Thank you so much for these amazing 70s episodes, such an early Christmas soap present! There is something so stylish, dramatic and sophisticated about this Y&R era. Knowing how the Jill/Kay story (and the characters themselves) would turn, out these scenes were There is so much we find out about these women in one episode. A soap can't buy this kind of history.