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I had wondered why they simply didn't bring him as a back from the dead Lujack as opposed to creating Nick but who knows really. I did like the original Nick and Mindy story and loved their wedding disaster as one of the highlights during the Blackout story. However I can see why McKinsey grew disillusioned with it as Alex plotting revenge on Mindy eventually just reduced her down to a scheming, controlling mother. Although I like Irizarry as an actor, the character of Nick just never grew on me and all the stories i.e. Eve and her Mindy wig, George, Ann Hamilton's Mindy, Nick and Mindy's 1994 wedding fiasco--it all was just bland, uninteresting in my opinion and often felt so perfunctory at times. I loved the Nick and Susan story though but sadly to my surprised they were shipped right off right after the Brent/Marian story ended. GL never took the advantage of using them again.

I love Zimmer, but she definitely went through some trials and tribulations there from about 2005 onward through the show's end. I remember her late 2007 interview where she spoke quite happily about her 4000 calorie diet, flaunted her obesity and said her favorite meal is a double cheeseburger with bacon on two sugar powdered chocolate filled doughnuts with an extra large mountain dew to drink and fried Twinkies on the side. Which is sad because in the early '00's she had been on SlimFast commercials regularly and looked good. I'm glad she got better though when I've seen her in more recent appearances she looks much fitter and healthier than in those final days of GL. Ho boy, I remember just about everyone here at SON including myself made quite the number of KZ fat jokes ten years ago, something to which we're all going to hell for lol.

Speaking of Bianca, it's funny that even 1995 fans couldn't remember her! https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.arts.tv.soaps.cbs/RrkoADiK0eU

LOL, this article appeared in the 3/22/00 issue of Soap News: Oakdale - The City of Lost Children During a recent chat I had on the Internet at the Mediadomain Board, a poster mentioned the most over-used plot device on soaps: the long-lost child. Well, if not the most over-used plot device on other soaps, the long-lost child and variations thereof certainly is on AS THE WORLD TURNS. Here, updated, is a post from March 1998 where I listed Oakdale's "Lost Children". So, as we enter the year 2000, welcome once again to Oakdale, Illinois, the heartland of America. Oakdale: where strangers are treated like family, because there is a good chance that they are! Everyone in Oakdale has an unknown or secret child, parent, or sibling. In May 1992, we were introduced to Lisa's long-lost son Scott. When he couldn't accept Lisa as his mother, Margo confronted him and said "Do you think you are the only person this has happened to?" I laughed, and after reading the list below, you may laugh as well, for Oakdale, Illinois truly is The City of Lost Children. Lily - Adopted, her biological parents are Iva and Josh. Iva - Adopted, her biological parents were the Carpenters. Josh - Learned his father was Cal Stricklyn, not Henry Snyder. Aaron Snyder - The son Holden didn't know he had with Julie. Abigail Williams - The daughter Holden didn't know he had with Molly. David Allen Stenbeck - True father is James and his mother is ??? Paul Ryan - The son no one knew Barbara had until James first came to town. James Stenbeck - Not really a Stenbeck, his mother is Greta Aldrin. Gunnar St. Clair - Switched at birth with James. Dusty Donovan - Learned Gunnar was his father, not Burke Donovan. Margo - Discovered as an adult that John was her father. Ian Dixon "Duke" Kramer - The son John didn't know he had. Lien Hughes - The daughter Tom didn't know he had. Adam - Learned Hal was his father, not Tom. Sabrina - Unknown daughter of Kim and Bob. Jennifer Munson - Her biological father is Darryl Crawford, not Hal. Nikki Munson - The daughter Hal didn't know he had. Jenny Wendell - Julie's daughter, whose father may have been the late Linc Lafferty. Linc - Discovered his father was Woody Hutchinson. Scott Eldridge - The son no-one knew Lisa had. Sierra - The daughter no-one knew Lucinda had. Betsy Stewart - Discovered that Dan Stewart was her father, not her uncle. Dan Stewart - Adopted, learned his biological mother was Ellen. Dani Andropoulos - Her true father was Steve, not Craig. Steve - Discovered his father was spy Michael Christopher. Juliette Hanovan - Steve's long-lost half sister. Bryant Montgomery - His father was Craig, not Tonio Reyes. Damian Grimaldi - Learned Bettina was his mother, not Orlena. Carly Tenny - Turned out to be Rosanna's half-sister, not her cousin. Teddy "Ryder" Hughes - Adopted, birth parents were Grant and Joyce Colman. Allison McDermott - Her biological mother is her "sister" Emily. Beatrice - Learned that Duncan was her father, not her brother. Melinda Gray - Unknown daughter of Bob's late wife Jennifer. Lord Stewart Cushing - Unknown son of the late Paul Stewart. Samantha Markham Anderson - Royce's unknown twin and Lucinda's half-sister. Baby Snyder - The child Meg miscarried. The father turned out to be Josh, not Tonio. Royce Keller - Lucinda's long-lost half-brother. Neal Alcott - Lucinda's long-lost half-sister. Bianca - Lucinda's adopted daughter that she has forgotten about Connor and Evan - Unknown grandchildren of Lucinda's late husband, James Walsh. Also, Evan's mother tried to convince him his father was Alexander Cabot. Kirk McColl - Learned his mother was actually his father's housekeeper, Dorothy. Hutch Hutchinson - Learned his late mother was alive and was cookie maven "Aunt Mary". Georgia Tucker - Daughter no one knew Samantha had. Eddie Silva - Learned that Alec Wallace was his father. Parker - His father turned out to be Hal, not John. Hope - The unknown daughter Andy Dixon. Faith Snyder - Switched at birth with Hope. Camille - She does not know who her father is. ??? Baby Stenbeck/Walsh - The child of James and Lucinda who might be David, someone else, or may have died at birth. Two children I would love to add to this list are Caleb and Ellie Snyder. When the Snyders were introduced, Emma had only four children. I still recall the scene when Emma told Iva she was adopted. Emma said that after she had Seth, she was told she couldn't have any more children, so Iva was adopted. Then Emma later gave birth to Holden and Meg. No mention was made of Caleb or Ellie. Suddenly the never-mentioned Snyders returned to the farm from Chicago. It took me a year before I could stop screaming at the TV set, "Emma has only four kids!" And what about Jack Snyder? He and Caleb look an awfully lot alike to be only distant cousins. Hmmm... And is Daniel Stewart Hughes really Tom's son or is he David's? Time will tell. I haven't listed the stories of the ANOTHER WORLD characters that have appeared on ATWT. Let's just say they would fit right in. In Oakdale every year brings a new lost-child or two. Talk about overkill. -Margery Scott

@DramatistDreamer Thank you so much! I loved Nadine, although pairing her right up with Daniel Pilon's nasty Alan was rather awkward as it should have been more fun really. I do like Carl Evans and never understood why GL never attempted to ever ask him back as A-M. Evans was in NYC and even did a stint on ATWT as some crazy ex of Molly's in 2001-ish, kind of like how the show just ignored Jay Hammer(I was never a Fletcher fan but still) for so many years.

Thanks for sharing these @YRfan23!!!! BTW, who was Blade's friend that photographed Dru towards the end of January that kind of ignored her at first? I didn't catch his name. Neil is such a jerk early on btw but it's good set-up for Neil and Dru's later problems come 1996-1998. As much as I loved Victor and ED's Ashley together, their marriage really was doomed from the start. Not from Victoria's interference but their interest in others(Nikki, Brad) really showed too much. Watching the 2-14-92 episode, I'm surprised they didn't have Sheila simply lock Scott up in a dungeon or have him tied/chained down to a bed, and then have Sheila just lie to everyone that Scott left her and left town. I suppose after Brad in a cage it would have been overkill to tell another type of story like that, but Sheila would get her day with James on B&B a few years later in Houdini's basement. Scott's a jerk too btw, probably rather deserving of his fate actually. She was quite the dark haired raven beauty and interesting character but I don't remember her interacting with Brad at all. I don't think she was destined to do much other than to be a subplot. Like Diane Weston in the David Kimble story she was pretty isolated to the Michael/Christine story. I don't think she was going to be anything long term other that be Michael's friend/lover and then wife of convenience though. Like how Diane's feelings changed eventually turning against David to help Christine out, Hilary's feelings changed eventually turning against Michael to help Christine out.

Thanks for sharing too!!!! I've seen the Christmas 1987 episode several times but have never seen the follow-up. I was wondering if Rex knew that Katherine had Nina stored hidden away in the mansion. Great seeing early Leanna with a darker edge early on. Her and Lester's Jack have fun chemistry though, I can definitely see them writing Ruthless together down the road. Ashley looked a hot mess though. Always a bit off whenever I see Lauren's late '80s blonde hairdo. Marc Mergeron is a such a Dynasty character I wonder why Bell even brought him back, especially to be involved with Joanna. Marc's French accent is noticeably a lot heavier than in his first run.

Finally too! I'm grateful we've been able to see a lot more of 1990-1994(the show's third golden age!) material to point so many gaps have been filled up. I had actually thought of you I had not too long ago re-watched the farmhouse week from May of '92 and was a little taken aback this re-watch of how marginalized the story felt in terms of everything else going on back in Genoa City with Jill/Katherine, Neil and Dru, and Newman & Abbott family and corporate drama taking up the bulk of most of the episodes. It was like watching two shows in one. She left town by late '87/early '88, I don't think she had exit as her role was basically replaced by Fay Hauser's detective Salena(who was given nothing to do) but actually came back to visit Nathan in early 1990 right before Olivia and Dru came on.

!!! I love Airplane and I had no idea that was Amy Gibson! It's funny I do know that a good number of actors have done both Y&R and have memorable comedic roles. Phil Morris himself is probably best known for his recurring Johnnie Cochran spoof character on Seinfeld. An odd bit of background on Miguel is I do remember reading in 1984 synopses was that he was interested in Esther and the two went out on a date but the show never followed up on it at all.

Thanks so much as always for sharing the '85 and '92 episodes @YRfan23!!!!! I did get a kick out of Jill fantasizing about using acidic powder on Katherine's face! The makeup job and mirror shot of Katherine's face was killer. Nothing has yet to beat Katherine's electrocution in the bathtub, but every time I come across these wildly vivid "Jill or Katherine kill each other" fantasies they're thrilling to watch. I must say I would have been extremely shocked to have watched them as they first aired. First time watching the "Black/White" Tyrone story as well, I found the Tyrone and Amy scenes to be great. The Alana scenes were funny. Every-time I see Jazz I wish he had been kept around and later been involved with the Barber sisters. I must say young Phil Morris was quite sexy shirtless there! I'm going through the 1992 episodes at the moment, I gotta love how every time there is a Sheila scene ominous music gets played. Funny how Christine had kept around her "Miss Holly Hollywood" wig from the previous fall's costume gala. Nice to see Rex and Katherine's second wedding and Jill's attempt to steal the thunder, it's interesting because by the end of 1992 Ashley, Victor, Jill, Nikki and Jack will be in a completely different dynamic than seen here. Nice seeing Leanna still hanging in there too even though she won't be given much to do in '92.

I saw the story over on SoapHub and found it very strange and rather pathetic. He must obviously have some serious psychological issues for him to be conning people even if he had a gig at the moment. He also must have better acting skills than he ever displayed on GL.

I saw this posted and just had to reply. A lot of times I had AW on as background noise or flipped to it whenever when GL was on commercial(and later on when I lived Albuquerque, B&B) but I did really enjoy the show during the Peggy Sloane era. It was the silly Cristy Carson caper with Patti D'Arbanville doing a fabulous job that sucked me in for more than just background noise and I enjoyed all the way through at least through early 1995. Plus the Ryan/Vicky/Grant drama, Felicia's alcoholism, and Joe/Paulina romance and escapades drove a lot of the show and made it at least entertaining. I think some of the Carolyn Culliton stuff i.e. Joe and Frankie did play well but it all unraveled the moment she was bumped off with JFP's arrival. But it was Iris' departure that really left me in the cold; the show invested a lot into Morgan and Brett and then dropped them; Marley didn't come back after the show survived JB contract drama in '94; Jake died! The less said about Spencer, Justine, and Justine's sisters that were on initially the better.

I wouldn't call it retconning, just a maze of story-lines these characters were probably facing at the time. Most notably I noticed reading over synopsis in early 1982 there was a story of where Victor bought an expensive fur coat for Nikki as a gift but it was stolen by some mob friends of Nikki so Nikki and Katherine worked together to get a replacement fur coat so Victor wouldn't realize the difference. I wonder if Bell's isolation of storytelling was in full play here, and as @DRW50 noted a full array of too many storylines happening at once.

One thing more I may be confused about as well is Victor bringing flowers to Nikki and meeting Lori for the first time....I was under the impression I suppose that Victor first saw Nikki AFTER the Julia/Michael mess. I know Douglas challenged Derek to a duel over the love of Katherine, I have to wonder when that happened as well in 1980. I wouldn't ever trade in Jess Walton for the world, but I really, really wish Bell had let Liz Foster remain a relevant, more realistic matriarch through out the '80s, '90s, and '00s. It was a missing component for Y&R didn't have. Liz also has a depth that Nancy Hughes, Alice Horton, Virginia Matthews and Bert Bauer never could achieve either.

The February 1980- May 1981 lineup change on CBS was a fiasco for Y&R, SFT, and ATWT as you had three shows in transition phases get bounced around(Y&R and ATWT lost their original time slots while while rival ABC Daytime became Goliath at the time. The 1981-1982 line-up change really did help out Y&R, ATWT, and SFT, it was just that somebody really wanted SFT off the line-up. I was wondering who played Patty's date as he looked awfully familiar as well. I know Christopher Knight was on AW but something tells me he would have fit right in at Y&R! Paul gets involved in the cult as well if I recall right but at some point in 1980/1981 of course crosses paths with April Stevens. I think the biggest problem with Greg and Nikki I wonder if someone outside of Bell was hoping to make them Y&R's version of Luke and Laura. Either way I don't think the pairing worked at all. Jill and Katherine's story-lines would definitely divide up over the next couple years that's for sure. Sure we Katherine and Derek playing kissy face(I slightly cringed btw) but it's not long before Katherine will she encounters Felipe and then the love of her life, "Cash" Cashman while Jill will end up engaged to Andy Richards before making moves on John Abbott.

Finished both of them! THANK YOU @YRfan23 @ltm1997so much!!! There's something about that 1980-1982 period I love so much as it mixed in Y&R's old guard with the new guard. A few thoughts: LOVED seeing young bad boy Paul, a young Patty or "Pip" lol played very well by Tammy Taylor, and of course Mary Williams just being Mary Williams! I'm quite impressed by Tammy Taylor who I had heard bad things about from playing the first grown up Hope over on Days; I have to wonder what if if Taylor had been able to stick with Y&R and grow up with the role in a way Heather Tom did with Victoria a decade later. Greg and Nikki, no I'm not a fan of, especially not of Wings Hauser's Greg either. I can see what Bell was trying to do with bad girl Nikki marrying goody two-shoes Greg but the pairing feels forced and doesn't work. It doesn't help that more interesting men (Paul, Victor) are probably more concerned about Nikki than her actual husband is. The cult at the end of the second episode, ho boy! This is my first time seeing Bond Gideon as Jill and I was pleased! She looked beautiful and I really liked the scenes between Jill and Liz it felt warm and there was a great sense of love and forgiveness between the two. I had assumed Gideon was atrocious but this to me proves otherwise and I agree I feel some Deborah Adair qualities there. It felt like the best way to reset Jill was to take her back to square one. Was that Brett Halsey as John? I had assumed so, but if it's another actor I must say he does look like an older Terry Lester with a bit of a European(hint of German?) accent in there. Derek and Katherine was great to see. Actually while Caleb Stoddard will always be my favorite Derek I've seen from watching old episodes LaDue may be an odd casting at least I could buy he was a woman's hair dresser. I must say though, if I had watched this for the first time as a regular viewer in 1980, based on the John and Jill scenes I might have guessed that Jill might eventually bed John at some point but would not have predicted they would drive some epic storylines for the next 20+ years. Usually @DRW50 I find Tim Ligon's Lucas as an awkward man out but here Lucas is looking so sharp and handsome. The scenes with him and Sebastian are wonderful contrasted with Leslie and Jonas. To which I've known all about Jonas but did not realize he was played by Dark Shadows' Tony Peterson/Reverend Trask character.

They did at least do the ATWT and GL tributes back in 2016, something for which I was grateful for. in the long run scheme of things although David and Kat on the run remains unforgettable, Long's Kat embarrassingly disintegrated by 1994 when she discovered David and Gabriella together. Probably why Long's time on GL would get overlooked.

They were friends but definitely not the same way Katherine was "old friends" with Earl Bancroft. John definitely did turn the tables on Katherine to her surprise when revealed to her and Jill that he knew everything about them and Phillip. If I recall right John felt Phillip was solely responsible for his own predicament and demise and believed Jill and Katherine had been mistreated by him.

I actually had forgot about Encore Encore it was one of many flops on NBC that season along with Al Franken's LateLine. The second sitcom had Lane basically playing himself as a gay Congressman and ended up being unfunny and dull in spite of some controversial hype attached to it.

Madeline Kahn had a quite few unsuccessful attempts of leading her own TV show. She eventually was successful with the '96 Cosby show but unfortunately she passed away during that show's third season and the show went into decline after her passing. I remember Alicia Silverstone had some TV show that ended up D.O.A in the early 2000's, I can't recall the name of it at this point for the life of me. I remember Dolly Parton's 1987 TV show and her album released that year were both considered a a disaster in the press at the time, I believe it fell hand and hand. The cancellation of Evening Shade by CBS in 1994 was just bizarre to me as it was one of CBS' highest rated sitcoms but I think they blamed it on Burt Reyonlds' salary. Was that the awful Charlie Lawrence one? I remember watching the premiere episode and it was dreadul, I think CBS ended up burning the rest of the episodes off during that summer.

This is such a strange article that was recently pointed out to me regarding William Bell Sullivan, who played Blake's nefarious lover Gary Swanson from 1989-1990. I believe Sullivan quit acting no later than 1992: William Bell Sullivan fondly recalls villain role MAKING GOOD OF BEING BAD June 03, 1991|By Henry Scarupa Sometimes bad guys have more fun. At least that's what Baltimore-born actor William Bell Sullivan learned after playing the villainous Gary Swanson in the CBS daytime serial, "The Guiding Light." "The role is a blast, a lot of fun," says Mr. Sullivan, who was in town this weekend to take part in a benefit for his alma mater, Grace and St. Peter's School. "Gary Swanson is one of those characters whose popularity I've never really understood because he's so bad. But I think I've added such a strong element of humanity and love to his villainy that people understand his character. They like him that way and they support him -- 'Yeh, go get 'em, Gary.' "I've gotten an incredible amount of fan mail, and I'm still getting letters." Fans still dote on the character even though Mr. Sullivan left the show six months ago, when the story line had the conniving Swanson thrown into the slammer for his misdeeds. In reality, the change was made to give the writing staff time to feel their way into the story, perhaps to change direction. For Mr. Sullivan, who had been on the show for 18 months, this afforded a breather from a demanding five-days-a-week schedule, often stretching out to 15 hours a day, and a chance to evaluate other career possibilities. "It was done amicably," he says of the separation, "and the door was left open for me to come back if the fans support that." Mr. Sullivan is relaxing in the living room of the Riderwood home of his grandmother, Evelyn Stevens, as he discusses the ins and outs of show business. He routinely makes the trip from his home in New York to Baltimore to visit friends and relatives, and returned here Friday and Saturday to be the featured guest at a fund-raiser for Grace and St. Peter's, the church-affiliated Episcopal day school he had attended through the sixth grade before he and his family moved to Michigan. He declines to give his age for professional reasons, saying the mystery enables him to play the roles of men between 25 and 35 years of age. On this day, he is wearing blue jeans and a white T-shirt over a 6-foot-1 athletic frame, kept trim by jogging and working out. His good looks partly explain the thousand or more fan letters Mr. Sullivan receives each month, often accompanied by mementos from admirers, from snapshots to uplifting books to panties. Women occasionally propose marriage, and at least two young mothers have named their sons after the soap opera star. He conscientiously answers each of the many letters with a brief note. The task eventually became so daunting that his mother, who lives in West Bloomfield, Mich., volunteered to organize the William Bell Sullivan Fan Club and serves as president. Dues are $19 a year, of which $5 goes to a charity designated by the fan. Members receive a newsletter four times a year, along with a signed autograph and a personal birthday card from Mr. Sullivan. Members are also eligible for a monthly drawing for a phone call from the bachelor actor. While all this requires a lot of time and effort, Mr. Sullivan feels it's little enough to give back for his success. "I believe in my fans," he declares. "Without them, I'd be absolutely nothing as an actor." Since Mr. Sullivan first stood on stage at Grace and St. Peter's as a preteen, portraying a cherry tree in a school musical, he's played a variety of parts. Over the years he's been everything from romantic lead to loony to manipulative liar. This versatility has earned him roles in such movies as "The Hunt for Red October," along with appearances on leading TV shows, such as "Designing Women" and "Another World." He last appeared on stage off-Broadway in New York in "The Runner Stumbles." From his earliest days, Mr. Sullivan wanted to be an actor. While studying theater and psychology at Northern Michigan University, he won $10,000 in the lottery, dropped out of school and headed for Los Angeles to pursue his destiny. "It was my calling, my purpose, my vehicle to do what I needed to do," he says of acting. "I never questioned it, never planned it, never calculated. Of course, it didn't happen by itself. I had to work at it, and I still do, fine-tuning it." He feels the years he spent as a pupil at Grace and St. Peter's helped to provide him with the values and determination needed to realize his dream. "When I think who I am and what I've become, I have to credit not only my family but Grace and St. Peter's," he says. "The school set a firm foundation for me on a social, religious and academic level." That moral sensibility prompted even a TV bad guy to recoil from causing harm. Once on "Guiding Light," the script called for Gary Swanson to beat up a woman. Mr. Sullivan felt the violence was gratuitous and unwarranted by the story. He vigorously protested the part and the script was changed. "I didn't want to act as an advocate of abuse," he says. "That's a social disservice I would never promote."

Aww, watching those Maureen and Vanessa fun talk scenes made me so sad.

Yeah it was used when Billy and Victoria first brought home Lucy if I recall right. The other classic theme I remember being played in 2011 is when Victor personally handed over an a grand jury indictment to Jack in June 2011 this theme was playing: I personally love the Genoa City theme, that was used up through at least 1993: And of course, my favorite, the 3 A.M. Theme! Or Nick & Grace's theme lol, but it was also used for Diego & Sharon, Sharon & Cameron, Ryan & Tricia, and Neil & Alex etc. I thought it was a late '90s and early '00s theme for affairs, but I have found it was used as early as 1994 for Jill & Jed!

Probably one of my favorite Season 11 moments is when Anne and Paula end up wearing the same hideous yellow dress. I too was disappointed by the Michael/Linda/Eric triangle and I felt it lacked some energy. I know the actor who played Eric passed away in 1990 but I can't remember if we finally saw Michael and Eric make up after their huge fight before Eric left again. I really did like Lar Park Lincoln though it's too bad she didn't have much of a career after Knots.

It's posted up on its entirety on Youtube actually. The only downside is that the album mainly has all of the various romantic themes as well as the infamous cheating theme but none of some the more recognizable music that usually got played during catfigthts or dramatic sequences. It's fascinating though that Y&R did retain its original 70's background theme well into the '90s and probably one of the better things of the MAB/Sheffer/Hamner/Rauch era was that MAB did actually restore the soundtrack here and there at the times, including using the Brooks theme as late as 2011.