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I forgot to address the Brad equation @ironlion @YRfan23 haha weren't Victoria and Nikki interested in him at the same time in the fall of 1999? It made sense that Nikki was interested when he came back since he had left town right after their aborted 1996 wedding and had been accused of shooting Victor. HT Victoria was actually intriguing with Brad, I wonder if Thudley had that in mind when he paired Bill and Katie on B&B a decade later.

I always kind of felt bad for Diane, who got the short end of the stick there towards the end of '97 and early '98. A very married Nikki telling Victor to get a vasectomy when both Nick and Victoria had happily accepted Diane and even Jack gave them his blessing and was sympathetic enough to give Victor marital advice(!) yet Diane was later thrown under the bus for being the crazy one. Also felt bad for Hope, who was written as being so repulsed by Victor & Diane's marriage that she won her battle with Ashley and dragged Kurt Costner back with her to Kansas so she wouldn't go back alone. Not one of Y&R's finest moments @YRfan23 Susan Walters just wasn't Donnelly, but I did like Diane vs. Phyllis as well during the arson and later Kyle custody story. Unfortunately after Diane bailed out Jabot in 2003/04 with her divorce settlement money from Victor she just fizzled out. Thanks a lot Jack Smith! Goodness @BoldRestless Thank you! Both you and @YRfan23 are always a real blessing!!!!

I was wondering about this recently re-watching late 1992 and after @DRW50 mentioned something in another thread was there serious discussion about recasting Frannie Hughes in 1993? I could imagine the show trying to recast with an actress around Martha Bryne's age returning to have a whirlwind romance or flind with either Peter Cabot or some Grimaldi cousin/brother before landing in bed with Scott Elridge, Diego Santana, and David Stenbeck shipping Frannie off for good by early 1999 lol.

Lol it’s like a good chunk of CBS viewers changed the channel of 30 mins!

Indeed. Cricket was a recurring character at that point, her first story was in the summer of ‘86. Cricket’s best friend Molly(played by the girl from Honey I Shrunk The Kids) got knocked up and didn’t know what to do, so Cricket got Danny, Traci, and Lauren to do some massive 1980’s PSA style benefit concert where Molly and her mother(if I recall right played by some C-List actress from the 1970’s) had a kumbaya moment of understanding. It was a sickening saccharine hot mess, but in all the sappy sweetness a backdoor pilot developed featuring the return of Rose DeVile and the introduction of Nina.

AW had its highs and lows throughout the 80’s it does get muddled of what worked and what didn’t work. AW always had such rich and lively characters with a stellar cast unfortunately the show’s writing and production were quite inconsistent.

Indeed! She ruled both Texas and GL with an iron fist and it was definitely her way on the highway. The cast were glad to see her go when she left. I wonder how Kobe was at B&B, I assume the Bell's kept her in check. Kobe's replacement Joe Willmore didn't fare better, as by 1989 the once mild-manned exec allegedly had become "emotionally unmoored" so to speak i.e. throwing a chair across the set, experiencing stress-induced vomiting in the middle of a negotiation meeting between him, Long, and Zimmer etc. The summer of 1986 had Cecile's return and kidnapping Cass story as the highlight, which was a big hit for AW. It wasn't til the fall when AW sputtered out again with the above departures.

Ratings for the show this year have been deep in the crapper. It’s averaging less than 400K viewers and Netflix is now waiting to drop all the episodes at the end of the season instead of the day after airing.

Haha ho boy that Jade recast was bad. I remember the Lucy recast at least did better in the role than Kelsey Grammer’s daughter did. Part of the problem was by this point of the series there was any long-term story anymore, just month long arcs aka “villain of the month” as we called it where characters just popped in and out on a whim I.e. Mike Kasnoff popped back into town for a brief story, Alison visits Chris but then Aaron randomly pops in for a short visit, Oakdale gets boring so here comes Ric Decker and/ Stenbeck to terrorize Oakdale for a couple weeks etc.

Lol I had completely forgotten they had recast Maddie and that the Nadia actress was the 2nd Maddie last night. I remember they wrote in Maddie for a pop up visit for the holidays for Christmas 2008 and New Years before she abruptly left town again. Then in late summer Alexandra Chando returned as Maddie for a while. Not even sure what Chando has been up to after her Chuck Pratt series on ABC Family was cancelled.

You're welcome @kalbir no worries! A lot of NBC stations aired Days in a 3PM or 4PM slot as well in the 90s, and I remember a lot of NBC stations would offer up a second repeat airing of Sunset Beach in a late night slot or later in the evening slot. I recall one NBC station aired Sunset Beach in the usually syndicated 7PM EST slot to some interesting success.

Refer back to my post on Page 2 on strange CBS 2006 listings , but from what I gathered in the late '90s there was a lot more of late afternoon airings of Y&R at either 3PM or 4PM.

Wow lol disregard my last speculation post then lol. That 4.5 is probably what got Capitol cancelled then lol.

Gotcha. It's interesting to see AW get a nice little surge/bump in early '87 as well, I assume that may be attributed to the Sin Stalker story.

Thanks! Sometimes B&B's timeline for me in the late 2000's get muddled as there were some periods of the show that go so bad I skipped out on lol.

Haha, I remember the start of 2005; Thudley was hinting at Ridge and Bridget 2.0 when Ashley Jones took over the role; We still had Amber acting crazy, and then Sarah Buxton was brought back as Morgan when Ridge had amnesia for a split second. Nick and Bridget kept having multiple interrupted weddings and multiple miscarriages. Ashley Jones really was the first of a long line of ex-Y&R stars to join the B&B cast in the mid to late 00's. I really had enjoyed Mulcahey's work on GL and his first year at B&B proved successful. Taylor's return and the ensuring calamity around the fallout really refocused the show. Stephanie's faked heart attack with Dr. Mark McClaine finally given something interesting to do was great, and the war between Stephanie and Brooke was downright killer. Stephanie kicking Eric in the balls was classic. Megan betraying the Forresters and sleeping with Massimo was hilarious. Bringing in Lesli Kaye as Felicia was a brilliant move. B&B was definitely on fire by the close of 2005. Unfortunately in usual Thudley fashion by early 2006 the show lost its momentum and sputtered out between the Thomas & Gabriela mess, Hector and Taylor, Sally losing Spectra and being forced to work in Megan's old job as Forrester receptionist/secretary, and adding Mario Lopez and Antonio Sabàto Jr. to the cast just did the show no favors whatsoever.

The show did bring back Matt for a guest appearance in 2003 with the news of Albert Miller being still alive, but other than that nothing else occurred. Regarding that Patty rumor, word has it the show did reach out to Lilibert Stern, only to discover Stern had "let herself go". Andrea Evans was still in hiding and declined to reprise the role as well.

I'm guessing that May 87 corresponds to February? It'll be interesting to see how B&B does when it premieres.

Complied back in August 2006, this was a list of stations that was airing the CBS soaps and TPIR at either unusual times or completely out of order. Also included are all of the CBS stations airing GL live in the AM, as by 2006 the one day delay feed had ended in 2004. KFMB-8 San Diego CBS 9:30AM B&B 11AM: Y&R 1PM: ATWT 2PM: GL KKTV-11 Colorado Springs(CBS) 11AM: ATWT 12:30PM: B&B 1PM: GL 2PM: Y&R KREX-5 Grand Junction(CBS) 9AM: TPIR 10AM: Y&R 12:30PM B&B 1PM: GL 2PM: ATWT Florida WFOR-4 Miami(CBS) 10AM: GL 12:30Y&R 1:30 B&B 2PM: ATWT WKMG-6 Orlando(CBS) 10AM: GL 12:30Y&R 1:30 B&B 2PM: ATWT WINK-11 Fort Myers(CBS) 10:30AM B&B 1PM: Y&R 2PM: ATWT 3PM: GL Georgia WTOC-11 Savannah(CBS) 12:30PM: Y&R 1:30PM: B&B 2PM: ATWT 3PM: Montel Williams 4PM: GL Hawaii KGMB-9 Honolulu(CBS) 11:30AM: B&B 12PM: GL 1PM: Y&R 2PM: ATWT Idaho KBCI-2 Boise(CBS) 9AM: TPIR 10AM: Y&R 12:30PM B&B 1PM: ATWT 2PM: GL KIFI-8 Pocatello(CBS) 9AM: TPIR 10AM: Y&R 12:30PM B&B 1PM: GL 2PM: ATWT KMVT-11 Twin Falls(CBS) 9AM: TPIR 11:30AM B&B 1PM: GL 2PM: Y&R 3PM: ATWT Illinois WBBM-2 Chicago(CBS) 9AM: GL 11:30Y&R 12:30 B&B 1PM: ATWT WANE-15 Fort Wayne(CBS) 10AM: GL 12:30Y&R 1:30 B&B 2PM: ATWT WSBT-22 South Bend(CBS) 9AM: GL 12:30Y&R 1:30 B&B 2PM: ATWT KOAM-7 Pittsburg KS 10AM: B&B 10:30 AM: TPIR 11:30AM: News 12:00 PM: Y&R 1:00 PM ATWT 2:00 PM: GL WKYT-27 Lexington 9AM: Y&R 1:30PM: B&B 2PM: ATWT 3PM: GL WLKY-32 Louisville 1:30PM: B&B 2PM: ATWT 3PM: GL 4PM: Y&R WAFB-9 Baton Rogue 12:30PM: B&B 1PM: ATWT 2PM: GL 4PM: Y&R WGME-13 Portland 9AM: GL 12:30Y&R 1:30 B&B 2PM: ATWT WBZ-4 Boston 10AM: GL 12:30Y&R 1:30 B&B 2PM: ATWT Michigan WNEM-5 Flint --Station does not air GL, airs on local MyNetTV at 10AM instead-- WWJ-62 Detroit 10AM: GL 12:30Y&R 1:30 B&B 2PM: ATWT Missouri KOLR-10 Springfield 11:30AM Y&R 12:30PM B&B 1:00 PM ATWT 2:00 PM GL KMOV-4 St. Louis 12:30PM: B&B 1PM: ATWT 2PM: GL 4PM: Y&R Montana KTVQ-2 Billings 10AM: Y&R 11AM: ATWT 12:30PM: B&B 1PM: GL 2PM: TPIR KXLF-4 Butte 10AM: Y&R 11AM: ATWT 12:30PM: B&B 1PM: GL 2PM: TPIR KXGN-5 Glendive 10AM: Y&R 11AM: ATWT 12:30PM: B&B 1PM: GL 2PM: Passions 3PM: Days KPAX-8 Missoula 10AM: Y&R 11AM: ATWT 12:30PM: B&B 1PM: GL 2PM: TPIR KRTV-3 Great Falls 9AM: TPIR 10AM: Y&R 11AM: ATWT 12:30PM: B&B 1PM: GL New Mexico KRQE-13 Albuquerque 10AM: ATWT 11AM: TPIR 12:30PM: B&B 1PM: Y&R 2PM: GL New York WCBS-2 New York City 10AM: GL 12:30Y&R 1:30 B&B 2PM: ATWT WRGB-Albany 10AM: GL 12:30Y&R 1:30 B&B 2PM: ATWT North Carolina WRAL-5 Raleigh 1:30PM B&B 2PM: ATWT 3PM: GL 4PM: Y&R Oklahoma KOTV-6 Tulsa --station airs B&B at 12:35am overnights) Pennsylvania KYW-3 Philadelphia 10AM: GL 12:30Y&R 1:30 B&B 2PM: ATWT WYOU-22 Scranton-Wilkes-Barre 10AM: GL 12:30Y&R 1:30 B&B 2PM: ATWT WTVF-5 CBS Nashville: 11:30AM: Y&R 1:30PM: B&B 2PM: GL 3PM: ATWT KUTV-2 Salt Lake City 9AM: TPIR 10AM: Y&R 11AM: ATWT 1PM: GL 2PM: B&B KGWN-5 Cheyenne 10AM: TPIR 11AM: Y&R 12PM: ATWT 1PM: GL 2PM: B&B

Very true Carl! I almost assume TPTB probably really wanted Vanessa Williams for the role but don't have the budget for it so Michael Michele is all they could afford. I don't blame her entirely though, I remember when ER cast her and then never gave her character a single interesting plot other than to just be there. LOL! It would have been nice if this Dynasty had been a continuation and could have actually utilized Joan, it probably would have been even more successful than the Dallas continuation. I remember It's the exact same issue the CW's Charmed remake not even utilizing a connection with the original Charmed and flat out making it more like a Buffy remake instead of Charmed.

Gilles' Alexis left to Europe to "find herself and fix her face with a top notch surgeon" but left Fallon with a stark warning to stay away from Adam. I think Gilles was only Alexis in like three episodes tops. Actually, I do like the actress playing the new Cristal; Daniella Alonsom has grown a lot of talent since her days on ATWT as that dreadful Pilar recast. So far I am very disappointed by Michael Michele as Dom, she is just haming it up with the awful writing. Too many of the characters are just 1-D or just have no personality whatsoever. With the Netflix international deal abruptly cut for the show, the show is going to take a hit for sure, and will have to do something better than just third-rate camp.

Thanks @VanessaReardon for this wonderful resource and your knowledge! ATWT appeared to have been such a strong contender 1983-84, what caused them to go into freefall to middle of the pack by the end of 1985? Lindsay Frost as Betsy?

I seriously doubt Bell would have moved have moved both Y&R and B&B to another network(knowing Bell's success we'd be discussing FOX Daytime!) I think Bell recognized the challenges of launching a new soap even in the late '80s he had analyzed what the odds were, especially if B&B had debuted in the Capitol slot. Not to mention both Bill himself and Lee Phillip Bell actively campaigned in every market that had preempted B&B that by 1995 even single CBS station in the US was airing B&B. Aside from dropping the 10AM game shows in 1991(Bob Goen's Wheel of Fortune lol) CBS Daytime had the exact same consistent line-up from 1987-2009 with no change.

I see what you mean! For the record, I do have the hard copy of SOD from 1998 when doing a profile of GL states specifically that GL hit #1 briefly in 1984.

So regarding these monthly 1984 ratings, what month did GL supposedly hit #1 at? Interesting to see ATWT get to #3, I'm guess that must have been Whit McColl's murder and Fulton returning as Lisa. When Bell created B&B, he pretty much made the demand that the show get aired directly aired after Y&R. I wonder if Loving would have been a lot more successful had Nixon asked for the same. As for RH, oddly enough ABC let their #1 affiliate in the nation WPVI have a separate live 11:30 AM feed for RH, perhaps if ABC had just scheduled RH at 11:30 AM ET instead of 12ET it wouldn't have been pre-empited as much.