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Oh, I'll never forget their best scenes. Including the actual scene where they first fücked, which has so many layers they'd built up over time, many of them ugly and uncomfortable. I remember it repulsing a lot of people at the time, but I was fascinated. None of that work goes into things today and from a dialogue and performance standpoint it was primetime ready.

Yeah, I'm not sweating this one from the man who wrote both the rapemance and then the Two Todds.

Did not realize the great Reiko Aylesworth (Rebecca, OLTL) voices Lady Bullseye on Marvel's animated Hulu series Hit-Monkey with Jason Sudeikis, Olivia Munn, George Takei, etc.

I think Susan looks great today. They had Julie running around with Doug looking like the Captain and Tennille for many, many years. Letting her go silver now is fine and natural, she's just a different type of beauty from Suzanne/Maggie. I do agree they over-aged the character long ago out of the right character sphere in a way more typical of Irna Phillips back in the day; she didn't get it nearly as bad as Patricia Bruder on ATWT though, who was never played remotely near her actual age again.

She's beautiful, but she has the same more relatable beauty and type as, say, the young Tricia Cast or Kimberly McCullough as an adult, so she can't get the airtime or prominence. Whereas in the past that would be a huge boon for the audience as it was for those actors. I do think Hunter King is quite talented but was overexposed and pushed to her limit. I can't say the same for Ordway.

I seem to recall the Hayeses saying they were unceremoniously dumped at the time, maybe in a WLS interview.

They're all pretty green except Lipton, who is susceptible to bad habits picked up from older hams. I think he's the most skilled but Mikayla and Chavez are enjoyable and charismatic and have a ton of potential, plus they're not chained to Joss. McCoy is passable at best. Still, overall it's the strongest talent GH has had in a youth scene since the 2000s.

I mean, he did already kill Laura.

Okay, who is it? (Also, why on Earth is the supposedly evolved Kristen holding people captive on an island that I can only hope is Melaswen)

They do look cute together, I'll give them that.

I was never invested in Craig and Nancy myself. I just feel bad for the fans and think it could be handled better.

I've lost count of how many times Phyllis has cucked or otherwise humiliated Jack at this point. I used to love that relationship but I have no idea how you salvage the respect now. I don't know if Stafford is selling it the way Gina used to, either.

I don't have a problem in theory with Craig coming out since Spirtas has been flaming for so long. I would've preferred he come out as bi, because that continues to give a segment of the audience that rooted for the couple their wish fulfillment love story. We can put it any number of delicate ways but characters like Nancy (pre-wig!!) or Traci Abbott on Y&R or whoever else serve a purpose for a lot of women who aren't size zero and I think that can be respected while still breaking new ground. I guess we'll see how it goes. I like William Christian, but I vividly remember when they recast Derek on AMC with Charles Parnell. Fans were outraged by the loss of a longtime vet but we all quickly discovered Parnell was at that time one of the hottest men alive. He had some throwaway scenes with Bobbie Eakes that were scorching.

Who can forget the gospel word of Brenda Dickson?

Oh, I don't think any of them are that caliber (though Lipton could get there). But I do like Trina, and I'd rather see her vs. Joss.

I don't think her music was ever the same after Velvet Rope struggled commercially. I thought it was a great album. I also felt she spent most of the next couple decades trying too hard to do light fluffy pop instead, or chasing trends vs. making them. I do think her recent comeback has felt a lot more organic and I've been happy about that. Like BF I don't know how much of the doc's take I can fully invest in, and I don't know how candid she gets about Michael in Part 1 vs. Part 2, though I've read some quotes about their relationship that seem to pertain to the larger two-part doc, but I am glad she's telling her own story.

I'm actually not! Frank Valentini has done a lot of good at his shows as well as a lot of bad. He did some solid multicultural stories once upon a time. I also think he learned the wrong lessons from some of the last years of OLTL. I just think that the way his shows are run is, like so much of daytime, too often deeply tonedeaf, blinkered and focused entirely on the wrong things. It might appeal to Peoria to keep the people of color in their place, but Peoria isn't going to keep this show alive for another 10 years (probably).

That's odd. I've always seen The Talk as being unusually eager to bring up soaps past on the show, often via Sheryl. Maybe it's a P&G thing.

I'n sure it wasn't. That doesn't mean the different situation with her availability doesn't dovetail with the show's own preference for who gets more central focus and story. And anyone who watched the teen scene at Frank's OLTL (as I believe you did) with Brittany Underwood and Jason Tam has seen this and more insidious routines before. Except Langston's storylines demeaned and marginalized her way more - so far. And let's not forget the attempted teen plot in 2013 at GH where Frank and Ron angled to put Molly (white) with Rafe (white) while Molly's boyfriend, Black overachiever T.J., got drunk with Black vixen whatserface, Felix's sister, who disappeared overnight along with both T.J. and Molly when the white kids failed to capture the audience.

I know you're not, lol. I think these things happen everyday, as I said. In a more balanced show and canvas I'd feel differently about it. But here I just think it's a tacky choice on the show's part, given how much focus and timeshare GH has already given to Joss and co. for years on end now. It's not lost on me who's locked into a contract and who's not (even if that's at least partly SM's choice), and who's getting a lush love scene and who's drugged next door. In Frank Valentini's world the ethnic kids are the sidekicks to the young white teens and their hopes and dreams. This is always how he's done it, and I told people he'd do it here, just as I said they would sideline Trina without a contract. I'm glad people enjoy Spencer and Trina, but I have no faith in this show, their priorities or their sense of the moment. And it's not a reflection on William Lipton who's excellent (and should've been part of a triangle with Trina but I digress), or even Eden McCoy who is a passable actress but who should not be in the starring role she has. I don't think it's on Cam and Joss in-story. It's a reflection on Frank and the production.

I'll be watching this because I love Janet and I've been pleased with her recent resurgence (with IMO better material than much of the last two decades), but I suspected from the jump it would be what the reviews says it is: Compelling and emotional but still guarded. The Jacksons close ranks on certain stuff, period. It sounds like this doesn't give up too much on her and Elizondo or Wissam Al Mana either. I hope to be surprised. I had heard years ago that it was difficult for Janet and Michael to connect even on "Scream," so it was interesting to hear that confirmed.

Ohhh, I can think of a few.

It would be one thing to have Trina drugged at a party while other teens fùck, which does unfortunately happen IRL. It's another optic and tonal issue when the show's story priority has always been the white kids.

I don't need Tessa raped or murdered. I do need her gone. I could say that for another 60-70% of the straight cast though. I've said it before and I'll say it again, and it pains me to say it as a gay viewer: Putting Mariah with Tessa was ultimately just a chess move to take her off the board of the eligible women with hetero pairings, because I believe someone up top clearly feels Camryn Grimes is unsuitable for A-story and pairings with leading male actors (whereas of course, Melissa Ordway is the light and the way). Therefore they stick her with this boring chick and call it diversity. That ain't the way to me. I think LGBT representation should be a key part of all of these shows, but not when the usage boils down to idle tokenism, making them asexual brood mares (which happens with both gay men and women on soaps in a variety of forms) or other moves designed to marginalize a performer. I have no problem with Mariah being bi, but they should be playing her with a number of vibrant women and men who are all key in major story. Tessa ain't that and she never has been, even now. Even this Devon story is about what? - other straight people, and a baby. It's there to neuter Mariah, to put those characters in a box sideways from the other stars and keep Grimes as a second-tier player, while people are still expected to watch the umpteenth story with Ordway and Heinle not able to carry the load. I'll pass.

I swear all these guys look the same.