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Many Dems are often very bad at messaging! But some are not, and the blanket assumption that they always get messaging wrong is at times knee-jerk, lazy and incorrect. But they do have more they could be doing right now, and at the same time, DC and the media handicap everything for the right wing as well. Meanwhile, Madison Cawthorn's insanity is being couched by the NYT as 'youthful brashness':

Yep!

Supposedly he is in therapy already and has been for some time.

They had wanted Vanessa to stay. They wouldn't give her the time off she wanted with her kid. The clear intent was to put her with Jason and keep S&C cemented. A few years later, with Tamara gone, I think Guza was over S&C - hence moving LW's Carly to Jax, which worked for the character under her IMO - and then increasingly over Sonny himself. Until the Dante saga, and Vanessa's return.

Friday's new episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000 on the Gizmoplex will feature Jonah and the bots riffing on 1993's "Robot Wars," starring Barbara Crampton (Y&R, GL, etc.) and Lisa Rinna (DAYS). And I can't wait!

I have a hard time believing Molly, with her sense of social justice, would go to work in the DA's office.

I don't think the pivot to Sonny and Jason was planned for Sam initially. I don't think the show had a plan. They were told to hire her, they were given the thing with Jax and told to go. It didn't pan out because it was forced and rushed, and Maurice wanted a shot at the hot new girl to compete with Ted King and Tamara so then that went down. Then they kludged in the old Jason/Brenda stuff, because there was no getting rid of Kelly Monaco under Frons and it enabled Guza to finally toss Courtney into the reject pile. I think Guza was devoted to S&C under both Sarah and Tamara. He 'made' both of them stars, really; Tamara had gained audience goodwill under the JFP/McTavish struggle and Maurice had taken up for her, but it was the writing of the Guza team that cemented her when he returned. But when Tamara wouldn't play ball later both the actors and the writing turned on her. Whether or not Guza was into Jax and Brenda after the '90s, he sure didn't show it onscreen. Jax was almost a C-level player in the 2000s he clearly had zero respect for. I can't see him having gone back to that then.

I just think what the GOP faithful want to happen and what will are two very different things. IIRC this same person had a slew of doomsday threads before the election and under Trump.

That long, depressing thread reads like someone's nihlist fanfic to me when you go from start to finish tbqh. We have enough wretched problems to be very concerned about without me diving into that.

When he was good he was brilliant. But he could also be very, very lazy and misogynistic. I just can't cosign Guza writing GH again after the rest of the 2000s unless he had a lot of oversight or a significant co-HW - a woman. I'd sooner see Karen Harris and MVJ back. Most of 2003-2005 were total dreck, and the years after that weren't exactly genius. GH ultimately became a dark nihilistic void I largely ignored under his stewardship, even when they still had some very good daily writing staff in those years. I don't know what stories they re-appropriated from Brenda for the Fab 4, so that makes me curious. Sam you can point to later on, but they didn't really move her towards Sonny til the very end of '03.

I think Nikolas/Emily was always a grand plan starting when they got Tyler back. I don't think Gia was ever a consideration from then on. They'd been teasing Nik and Em since the late '90s, and Guza rarely lets a good chemistry test go (he continued teasing Nik and Robin almost until the 2010s). I understood doing it. A long-running, well-written triangle with the three of them, or a quad with the right Gia, including Stefan as the scheming patriarch, would've been dynamite. That's not what they wrote for any of it. Frons' micromanaging at ABCD was at its height in 2003, when he was fully ascendant. That was also the Year of Courtney. It felt like five years tbh. I think the stories going so extreme as well as into overdrive pacing-wise was in part Pratt, who also unleashed Guza's worst instincts. The writing also was often weak and ADD in many stories, and not as razor-sharp as what they were known for on the daily dialogue. Once Pratt was gone the show righted itself in a few ways, but Guza remained ugly in many others.

Once again they got Laura dressed like Uncle Phil from Fresh Prince.

Another one from earlier: I'd forgotten how quickly this story moved, lol. IIRC NL's Emily debuted on April 1st and by the end of May she and Nik were scamming everyone that they were 'falling in love' so Zander could move on after she died, or something like that. And then of course they actually did fall in love. Stefan was in and out in a matter of months! The Nikolas/Emily thing had been percolating since Amber Tamblyn was in the role, and Zander/Emily were also very popular. They could've played that triangle honestly for years to come, but the pacing seemed like it was on meth. On paper it was a great idea and they totally mangled it. 2003 was such a rough year for the show and I put a lot of it on Pratt and Frons, frankly. Guza shares plenty of blame for so much of what has rotted at GH in the 21st century, but he used to know how to pace and plot (and did much slower builds again later, once Pratt was gone). Anyway, this should be in the Classic thread I guess.

Sure enough (timestamped): I expect there were several with Tyler, but this is the first I found. It is truly bizarre to see Gia complaining to Nikolas about Zander dumping her for Emily. A year before he and Gia were passionately in love! Zander and Gia DGAF about each other! The show really went upside down with them quickly, which could've worked except they had zero investment in Gia and Zander in '03.

No, but they should've. AP's Gia orbited Zander and Emily during the Nik/Em/Zander triangle, and I suspect she did share at least a scene or two with Tyler. I think I've seen one or two on YT, but I can't find 'em. I always wanted that revisited, though it is 100% correct Pearson was miscast. I'm not sure Gia got an onscreen exit.

Part of quite a long thread.

She was basically recurring. She only turned up occasionally to fūck Zander (literally, every member of that teen scene ended up hooking up even when it made no sense) and primp Emily for her wedding, and they had been far from friends. I don't remember any TC Nikolas scenes with her, and I was waiting for them. I'm sure a couple exist. As a Nikolas/Gia fan I was not happy about that entire experience.

News to me, but I wouldn't be surprised. Anyway I'd accept the lawyer thing now, with some sort of glam sideline lol.

It seemed like a deliberate attempt to dispense with the character entirely, though IIRC they did start the lawyer thing (which always seemed off-brand for Gia) with Marisa in the role.

Who will Chelsea be paired with next? Zapato?

I think the recast may be superior. I had an inkling on Friday and that is rapidly solidifying. Whether she can keep the energy up or she gets turned into backburner fodder like poor Gia #2 (remember her?), we'll see.

Galen Gering is awful.

I think Jordi worked well on AMC tbh. They didn't fully take advantage of him.

I don't understand the thing about her killing a bunch of dudes!