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I hadn't considered that as part of the issue with moving the farm. Steve had been trying to ignore his past while establishing himself in Bay City, but that would've been difficult if his entire family lived just outside of town. It is interesting to consider the parallels to Michael Hudson's background.

Thanks @Liberty City I'm terrible with remembering all the Nikki, Niki, and Nickys, as well as the Vicky, Viki, and Vicki's Also, I just finished today's episode 5.5/10, no noticeable difference with the scab writers. Positives: I'm happy that Chanel is not oblivious to Holly's manipulation. She's too savvy to get played by a teen with her first crush. Negative: The Jackie Cox stuff makes everyone seem ridiculous. And Leo's epiphany over delivering Nicole's baby is just plain stupid. If Leo becomes an OB-Gyn, I may need to scream.

Agreed There should be some resolution for Gabi, but I wouldn't mind a Stefan and Sloan or Stefan and Ava pairing, as both characters possess similar qualities to Gabi. Also, can we get consensus? Is it Stefan, Stefon, or Stephon? I keep seeing it written in every different way. I assume Stefan, since it is Stefan O. Dimera.

Now, that would've been the perfect opportunity for Pat to come back and get revenge on Jamie by co-signing the loan on the farm for Jason (ha ha).

Good to see that we have all the greats of American literature covered, Judith Krantz, Colleen McCullough, Jackie Collins, Danielle Steel, and Barbara Taylor-Bradford. 😉 While they have been trashy, miniseries were a celebration of female authors. (reminder: the term trashy is purely subjective)

Reddit is saying that today is the first episode written during the WGA strike, but I thought those episodes wouldn't air until January. Can someone confirm from today's credits?

I guess that is what they did. Because Emma comes to visit Bay City for Cass's wedding, and it was written as if she lived on another farm in Oklahoma. I assume none of the first generation of Bay City Frames bought a farm, like Vince, Willis, or Steve. Correct?

Yep, that same old tale, man marries a woman, then dies trying to save their child from a kidnapper, then she takes up with his half-brother and dies in a swimming pool when her diamond ring gets caught in the drain. Same ol' story 😉

Without turning this into a Roots discussion, although all threads get diverted at some point, I think there are issues that matter in terms of presenting the story as fact versus fiction. First, Alex Haley lied not only about the oldest generations of his family, but also about the stories of his own grandparents. He did not complete the research that he described, and borrowed stories from other families. If he had been honest about the idea that the book was historical fiction, it would have been fine. However, the controversy arose in part because he did not credit those people who actually had completed scholarly work on the subject. And the fictionalization allowed feeble-minded conspiracy theorists fodder to say that slavery was less popular than written about in the book. Second, personally, I've always felt that by only portraying slave owners are vicious cruel people, it excuses the majority from guilt. It is an excuse for White people watching to think, that we would not have been involved in the slave trade because some people don't have a propensity for physical assault. Whereas the reality was that it was much more systemic which has led to the economic disparity we see today. All slave owners weren't wealthy vile men, some were middle class and lacked the morals to understand that slavery is wrong. In fact, I think it is far more frightening to depict relatable farmers owning people like they owned animals, than allowing a modern day audience an excuse for why they have no culpability for systemic racism.

I hadn't considered the entire subcategory of historical drama. I assume the vast sagas made for multiple episodes. However, there were trashy ones as well. Does anyone remember John Jakes's The Bastard and The Rebels when Andrew Stevens ran around in contemporary hair but period costume? I feel like you could always tell the trashy history from the classy by the lighting. The classy ones were always dark and gray, and the trashy ones were brighter with candle lamps that could somehow light up an entire room.

It had always been my impression that the farm where Sharlene lived was not the same farm where she grew up. She lived where Jason had lived when he worked for the Love family. My reasoning was because her mother didn't live there, and none of her siblings worked the farm. Maybe there was some exposition that I've forgotten that would contradict that idea, but I always believed there were two farms until you brought this idea up.

In the classy domain, I forgot to mention the seminal miniseries Roots. I was transfixed, and we talked about the episodes every day in school. In fact, as part of the marketing, ABC sent discussion guides to schools. Looking back, it really walked a fine line between historical drama and soap. And, given the later controversy about how much of the original book was fictionalized, there were many elements that seemed overly melodramatic, when the actual events would probably have been just as powerful. I also really enjoy the Jane Seymore version of East of Eden. Unlike the James Dean film, TV allowed them the time to tell most of the saga. And that book reads like a soap in some ways due to the multigenerational aspects and cliffhangers throughout. Although, one assumes John Steinbeck scholars wouldn't want to be associated with James Stenbeck fans. 😉 Amongst the trashy, I would be remiss if I didn't mention V the miniseries,. As well as the trifecta of Love in a Cold Climate, Poor Little Rich Girl: The Barbara Hutton Story and Little Gloria... Happy at Last. Because who doesn't love a story about the trials and tribulations of the upper crust? Others that I didn't care for include the entire North & South saga, which felt like a Gone with the Wind rip off. And NBC historical miniseries like Christopher Columbus and Peter the Great.

Do you think the plan was for Pat to cause trouble for John and Sharlene because of Sharlene's history with Russ? Because doesn't that story get told when Olivia arrives? (Obviously not with Pat). I've only read the novelization accounts of Sharlene and Russ, but she seemed very different in her second iteration as played by Anna Holbrook. Almost as if she was Sharlene in name only.

There was something special in the era of monoculture when a miniseries would debut during sweeps. Even as a kid, you had to watch them because it interrupted the regular schedule. And since we've touched on the various productions in other threads, I thought it deserved its own topic. Miniseries tended to fall into two categories, prestige and trashy. I can still hear ABC's bombastic voice of prime-time announce that 'and now, a 6-hour adaptation of a classic novel for television' over three nights. As well as the scintillating CBS ads for epic romance novels now made for television. On the trashy side (I hate the term guilty pleasure), I recall getting completely sucked into a re-run of Lace the Miniseries (aka Which one of you bi-a-tches is my mother?) It was New Year's Eve, and we had plans to go to a party, but as we got dressed we started watching. Then, we looked at the clock, four hours had passed, I was missing a sock, and it was almost midnight! I also enjoyed Mistral's Daughter and Scruples, although there was a lot of sexual assault in both. I was never a fan of Lucky or Hollywood Wives (although I still rock out to the theme song). And I would watch any of the Dominick Dunne adaptations again, including The Two Mrs. Grenvilles (Ann Margret was brilliant)_, People Like Us (Connie Sellecca's best work), An Inconvenient Woman (best death by bee ever), and A Season in Purgatory. On the classy side, I was a big fan of a little seen miniseries called Family Pictures with Anjelica Huston and Sam Neil because I adored that book. I also really liked I Claudius. But, I never got into Winds of War or War and Remembrance. And I while I'm glad that I watched them, I was never a fan of Shōgun or The Thornbirds. What are your favorites, or least favorites, and were they classy or trashy? Note: Classy and Trashy and purely subjective and may not reflect the consensus. However, I feel like we should abide by the Wiki definition for a miniseries,"a television program in several parts that is shown on consecutive days or weeks for a short period"

Greg Beecroft did not have a great reputation. This is from one of my favorite SOD exit interviews of all time with Melanie Smith when she left ATWT because it was juicy and not sugar-coated.

@Joseph Ironically, the full movie of Danielle Steel's Secrets is on YT. As for Judith Krantz's Secrets it has been discussed in its own thread and this member suggested a source for three clips (which are now unavailable), but @Paul Raven provides an excellent summary.

Blaine could've been in development early, but I don't know how David Jacobs would have known her name And, given that they were nine years apart, there could've been multiple reasons for sharing the same last name including Unless, Harding Lemay wants to take credit for naming But, it is doubtful 😉

ITA. For example, Blaine Ewing was introduced three months after the premiere of Dallas.

So the expectant couple pays monthly, and payments stop if the surrogate stops being pregnant. However, the $75,000 upfront fee is paid regardless of outcome. And the agency gets a second fee if the couple even begins to explore a second surrogate.

Oh, so PP got the new hairdo to explain to the audience how he could attach a lace-front, that makes sense (te he). Also, why does Dimitri need to escape in drag when he's got access to a submarine that takes him to a country without an extradition treaty? (to be fair, that pursuit of logic is a fool's errand in the context of DAYS)

Just for further clarification, because it sparked my interest, the base pay prior to IVF for a surrogate is $35,000.00 and the agency fee is $40,000. So, it's close to $100,000 before anyone even conceives. Which renders the idea that Molly could conspire with her sister and not tell TJ illogical, because the cost would be noticeable for any couple. Upon review, you can't just get your sister to be a surrogate and avoid the fee, because that is how the legal and medical expenses are paid. _______________________________________________________ On another note, while I'm pleased that the Pikeman story seems to be getting some legs. Did anyone else feel like now that the strike is over, the writers did a major re-set this week in order to get their prior stories back on track? For example, Nina standing up to Michael, Drew making academic decisions, and Chase's proposal all felt like a sudden shift in focus and motives for these characters. Even Ava's confession to Nina managed to avoid a lot of strike material.

One other point about Clarice - tangentially It was mentioned in 1982 that Ada and Clarice closed their salon. It's a shame that more US soaps couldn't establish a hair salon as a consistent meeting place within their show. I'm not talking about nutty spas with scifi youth serums. In the UK, Corrie's hair salon has been the site of multiple stories, as it is a logical setting where people of different classes can get together and talk about recent events. For example, I don't think Rachel and Paulina would hang out at the same diner, but it is reasonable that they would see each other while getting a blow out before an event in Bay City.

It may seem like TJ and Molly are well off, but: IRL they would struggle with the cost, and it just seemed like an oversight not to mention it within the story.

It stuck out like a sore thumb that Maxie is having money issues, but Molly and TJ can afford multiple rounds of surrogacy without an issue when the typical cost is $100,000.00

Meanwhile, was Gail Brown ever able to give an interview when they didn't mention her sister? Clarice is worthy of praise in any form. It is a rarity that we get someone with even slightly unconventional beauty as well as such a well-rounded character. It is interesting how many times that they tried to create a family around her. First the McGowens, then the Hobsons, and the Eweings (AW really had a thing for copying Dallas). I feel like saddling her with Larry, who was an uncharismatic character played by an actor that by certain accounts was difficult to get along with on set, really doomed Clarice. However, it was remarkable to read on AWHP that she returned for Ada's funeral, I had no memory of that.