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This sounds sad. I have heard of the Independent Spirit Awards but not this. Thankfully. How many years did this go on, 😂?

Wait, what?? Was this an actual award?!

Martin Guest killed the broker of the illegal adoption that got Lily. Oh my goodness, Clifford Breyer was his name. I admit, I had to find the episode where his name is mentioned. You know, after I posted up-thread, I thought about it, and came to the same conclusion that Lisa, no stranger to multiple marriages and having been widowed more than once, would, in irony of ironies, be the one to actually empathize with Lucinda and come to her defense about her marriage history! The truce, of course, could be temporary but a frenemy relationship should have lasted the life of the show. It would have provided both with something to do, outside of children and grandchildren. Another note about Clifford Breyer- Tonio found out about his widow, who lived in a nursing home and went to visit her to dig up information that he could try to use against Lucinda, as Sierra was divorcing Tonio and he knew his days as Lucinda's right-hand man and successor at the company were, in all likelihood, numbered. If Tonio lost his job, his Visa would be terminated and he'd likely be deported. I don't remember how much Tonio knew but I think he overheard an agitated Lucinda, talking to Ambrose on the phone, saying no one must find out why Martin killed himself. I don't remember how much information Tonio actually sussed out from Breuer's widow as she looked to have either Alzheimer's or dementia. Mrs. Breuer may have remembered some miniscule nugget of information that Tonio was able to piece together before the nurse made him leave. EDT: Breyer, not Breuer. Sorry. Auto-correct keeps "fixing" things.

Sage is Jack and Carly's daughter. Those online synopses can sometimes have errors, in addition to being confusing but, in their defense, it has to be somewhat fatiguing to have to write and condense these winding, circuitous narratives. Considering the fact that Guest killed someone, it could have been respectability politics on Lucinda's part to try to give Lily a more respected identity. It would have been interesting to explore that aspect later on. Also, I remember Lily offhandedly saying that Lucinda had been married five times. Who were the other husbands? It could have been fun to have someone suspect Lucinda of being sort of a "Black Widow", especially in the show's last decade when the show was straining for something interesting for their senior veteran characters to do.

I used to live in a working class neighborhood in Manhattan...a little village by the name of Harlem.😉 Everyone assumes that Manhattan is all Upper East Side, Upper West Side, Soho and Greenwich Village and they indeed have a huge say in Manhattan political life but people forget that Harlem has had a huge impact politically since the days of Adam Clayton Powell. In fact, no one running for any citywide office can bypass Harlem and expect to win public office. Harlem has been gentrifying, but not as fast as other areas, surely not as fast as many parts of Brooklyn. There is also Inwood/Washington Heights. All in Manhattan, all predominantly working class. Even the Lower East Side still has a sizeable working class, mainly Latino population. During this campaign, I was reading that a number of Latino voters were going for Adams and I admit that even I was a bit surprised by this at first, but I do think some of this is indeed older Latino voters, who may feel strongly about the security aspect, particularly in regards to public transportation. There were/are many who oppose Adams quite vehemently, but I am not sure how many actually got out to the polls and voted. As for Staten Island...🥴 they're gonna Staten Island. They've always been Republican country out there. Fortunately, they are the borough with the smallest population.

I don't always agree with Astead but he basically made a pretty good assertion there.

I think it depends on the types of media you're talking about. NYC based media (even the Metro section of The Times) definitely could not ignore Adams, he was a factor from the very beginning but if we're talking about...say, USA Today or eve Politico, well, I wouldn't be surprised by that, as Politico leaves a lot to be desired. I was surprised to see Adams referred to as some sort of neophyte whose biggest claim to fame was being Brooklyn borough president. Adams may be a lot of things but 'new' ain't one them.

I never thought Yang had much of a chance. He knew next to nothing about the architecture of how NYC could effectively be governed. It's one thing to be unschooled on certain aspects, but Yang demonstrated that he was out of depth in all aspects of NYC's governance. No, Adams benefitted from being perceived as a known entity. He has been on the margins of public life and public service for decades now. I can remember seeing him on NYC community programming since the mid 90s. People knew who he was long before he became Brooklyn borough president. He also presents himself as a combination of a working class public servant, who will understand the average New Yorker, because he is the average New Yorker (or would like to be perceived as such). He also is a former cop, in a city where crime has escalated during the pandemic, crimes against Asian/Asian-Americans have been of particular concern, as well as shootings and subway assaults. Now Maya Wiley is not out of the running, not at all, but as a progressive, it remains to be seen whether she will be tied to the "Defund The Police" mantle (though she has avoided the use of the term lately), a term that has become reviled by all but the uber-left. Adams, otoh, has cast himself as a former victim of police brutality, who then went on to speak out and create an organization that was anti police violence and mentoring Black and Brown young men. Kathryn Garcia is kind of neck and neck with Wiley in second place but I am not sure that she did herself any favors by trying to form some type of 11th Hour alliance with Andrew Yang. It certainly did Yang no good. He conceded the primary race last night. It could be weeks before the results of the Democratic mayoral primary are known, with absentee votes, etc. needing to be counted. Meanwhile, the Republican primary has already been decided with Curtis Sliwa (founder of the Guardian Angels) selected. Cannot believe he got enough votes to be the candidate, then again, it's the Republicans--the party of Giuliani and Trump.

Pretty sure I warned folks not to quickly dismiss Eric Adams in the NYC mayoral race and looky-looky. Things are still somewhat fluid and Adams, at 31% or so if the vote is still far from the 50% or above needed to win, but I have followed NYC politics enough to know darn well that someone who has been as well known in NYC public life as Adams wasn't going to fade. If I remember correctly, I warned that if you dismiss Adams, you do so at your own peril.

I'm gonna take a pass on this one as well.

That is the explanation that they found acceptable, so it seems.😳

Intrigued to see where Ranked-choice voting leads NYC in their mayoral primary race, considered to be a defacto election. Although, tbh, nothing is a given these days.

Indeed it was but I was watching on and off (sometimes more off than on, I admit) until I finally quit watching altogether. I would also say it was horrific for more than seven years, it's just that there were one or two mildly interesting stories to paper over this fact.

Interesting. WADA and ITF are saying that Yastremska has committed a doping violation but they accept her explanation of how it happened and deem it to be through no fault or negligence on her part.

I gave up on the show in the final five/six months. The storytelling seemed very lazy to me.

Osaka on the cover of Vogue Japan.

ESPN is also shoe-horning Wimbledon Qualifying matches onto their ESPN+ service, which I won't be subscribing to.

Not saying anybody here has said this but, when I have read some other threads, I often get the idea that people want older characters to be involved, yes meddle in their children's lives, rather than have active stories of their own. I have heard this of Victor and Nikki on Y&R as people think that they drain too much focus from younger characters. It's not my opinion, although giving them storylines more suitable for twenty year olds isn't the answer either. Having her closeted husband canoodling with Luke seemed very 1995 to me.

That seems more akin to being a shining star on top of a massive dung heap.

It just feels as if people forget that the series didn't begin and end with Marland's tenure. Lucinda's vitality as a character should have boosted as Lily became more and more entrenched in adult life, yet Lucinda didn't go in that direction in the character's latter years. Other than having Lucinda stricken with illness, what was really done with the character to show her as a vital, spirited woman? When Lily became a mother and it was clear that she was fully on her own as a woman, would have been the perfect time to give Lucinda a new path. I don't even remember Lucinda driving much storyline at that point.

They could have done all of this after Marland's death. The characters all outlived him. Why didn't they do it?

In a way, I do agree with this sentiment but it won't likely be China in years to come but a country where even cheaper labor can be exploited like Vietnam and Thailand. In fact, this is already happening. In a decade, or so, it is unlikely to be China though.

A more notable moderator would definitely help. Nobody should feel obligated to watch a moderator or host they don't enjoy. There's also a thought lurking in the back of my mind that if someone, say another SoapClassics were doing research to see if there were enough interest to try to secure another agreement with a P&G to do a compilation set or better yet a streaming platform, they would look at those paltry numbers and assume that the interest in these soaps have surely dissipated and drop the idea. Far-fetched, I know but the SoapsClassics folks had to have gotten the idea to release compilation episodes from somewhere. I'm also probably one of the few people who believe that having have a dozen ATWT YouTube channels, rather than one really comprehensive channel with high-quality videos actually weakens the value of the product.

That's exactly what I meant-- the current soaps like Y&R and B&B regularly draw in the tens of thousands for these livestreams (you can hardly call them reunions when the shows are still airing), while most of the ones featuring cancelled shows, which barely get 2k, are languishing. I can see a scenario where Alan pivots away from the P&G soaps and does more Livestream with the current soaps and possibly some past primetime stars (like when he did w/Allison Arngrim). There's more clicks in it. Seems as if this might be one of many reasons why there has been such a breakdown in the daytime soaps industry. Dysfunction has taken over operations.