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  1. It is really a damn shame that I don't find a single man on this show appealing. Mal certainly has his work cut out for him. Good luck.
  2. So Victoria has a second personality that is just as dry and awkward as her normal one? PLEASE end this sex trafficking story. It's centered on newbies (Zack, Tessa, Crystal) and it makes no sense. They can't do it justice, they need to end it before October 1st. Tweak these scripts and wrap it up fast. I also wouldn't be surprised if the show just had Juliet have a miscarriage offscreen and sent her away or had her go crazy in a week and that was it for that story. *saying a silent prayer that come October 1 both Brash & Sassy and GC Buzz will be no more*
  3. If Tessa and Mariah was the plan all along, what was the point of breaking up Hevon for Devon/Mariah?
  4. Also, I don't think Sally is a hack. I think she's a boring writer and a mediocre talent. She got a lot of credit for who she worked for rather than her own output. I'm really annoyed that Kay is tied to this because I still have a lot of respect for her. What did she do exactly? Cause Sally very clearly made it seem like all of the ideas and stories were hers. Did Kay contribute at all I wonder?
  5. No worries, all good. I think the conversation about labels as it pertains to sexuality is still a little gray, there's arguments for and against but labels help people identify a community and common individuals which is super important for groups who are still discriminated against. At this point I really hope that Angelica is going to give Mal his shot or whatever (I have zero confidence he can do both jobs) but she's also ACTIVELY looking for a real headwriter and I mean getting people to submit longterm story plans for characters, doing interviews, etc. I have a hard time believing that it's that hard to find a HW honestly.
  6. I'll just post these links and then get back on topic http://affinitymagazine.us/2016/07/25/i-dont-see-color-is-crap-and-you-know-it/ http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/opinion-dear-tomi-lahren-please-stop-saying-you-dont-see-n690801 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roni-faida/why-i-hate-the-phrase-i-d_b_9341762.html https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/26/do-not-see-race-ignoring-racism-not-helping https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/minority-report/201602/i-dont-see-color I do think the conversation about labeling sexuality is still a bit influx but the principle isn't much different. So anyway, Mal has his work cut out for him.
  7. I don't want to start posting articles, but yeah it is. Are you black? How are you going to try to explain to a black person why we find comments like "I don't see race or color" problematic? Let's not get into this here....
  8. The "I don't see gender" or "I don't see race" attitude is not helpful nor progressive. Love is love sure, but marginalized identities and communities need to be seen for who they are? Erasing the fact that people or black or how they might identify is erasing who they are. When people say they don't see race it means they want white people to be comfortable. Just like saying well we don't want to call them gay or lesbian or even bisexual or sexually fluid they think makes heterosexuals or homophobes more comfortable. It's an attempt to completely erase what it means to be a bisexual or lesbian or sexually fluid woman.
  9. I hope also Jordan, the Lane twins, Graham, Zach....buh bye.
  10. All of this. And perhaps we're harder on Sally because this board specifically caught a big attitude if you dared to criticize Sally or her Y&R. I was specifically told after I said the show was boring and aimless that "I must not be familiar with classic Y&R" and "I need to go back and watch Bill Bell". Ok. And it also sucks that she's left a bit of a mess. Some stories have potential like Tessa/Mariah and maybe he can save the Dina stuff but the rest? All these useless new characters along with horrible stories like the sex trafficking nonsense centered on three newbies (Tessa, Zack, Crystal), SMH
  11. I'd really like to hear from Kay Alden now. What exactly did she do? Did she contribute at all? Because Sally is basically saying everything was ALL her.
  12. And honestly A LOT of the blame needs to go to Angelica and Sony cause it was obvious they didn't care either. Did they even ask her what her plan was? Or talk to her at all about her thoughts on the show? Or just offered her a job that her heart wasn't even in? I still don't understand why she took it but a lot of this falls on CBS and Sony just saying whatever, we just need a HW, let's just offer it to someone. They don't care about saving this show or even keeping it afloat. Sally basically said "I was really unprepared for a job I didn't really want to do." Ok.
  13. What is the deflection? The excuses people make for Sally are hilarious. The show had 16 weeks or something of record low demos under Sally who could not have cared less...you know what nevermind. You love Sally, it's cool.
  14. 1. It's 2017 so saying that you "don't want people to see color" or "don't want people to see gender" is problematic. 2. Not only did she have no plan for the characters, she didn't watch the last 10 years of the show. Who thought it was a good idea to hire her? 3. She just made up everything she said in her interview to Logan? Why not just decline or postpone it? What? 4. She made it pretty obvious she had no intention of staying in the job long. She wasn't committed to it. It's awful that her brother died, but her commitment was gone. 5. The entire thing about Greg was nonsense, SHE was the one who wrote Kevin and Chloe's reunion so what is she talking about? He wasn't too involved with Chloe at the time SSM took over. They were finished. She reunited them. 6. It was CLEAR very early on that Sally cared more about that doc than she did about figuring out how to make Y&R better and she made that pretty clear in that interview. 7. A LOT of people here tried to blame a lot of the poor ideas on network interference and Mal Young...it's clear that Sally's failures were hers. She took a job just to take it. Her heart wasn't in it, she didn't care, she didn't think she'd stay long, she had nothing planned, she bs'd interviews and made stuff up as she went along for a show she hadn't watched in a decade. Just no.
  15. I mean, that's horrible, but then she needed to DECLINE THE INTERVIEW or postpone. Why the hell would she just "make up a bunch of stuff?" Also, she made it clear that she didn't even think she'd stay in the job more than 6 months. What a mess. Like why was she even hired? This was all so stupid.
  16. https://daytimeconfidential.com/2017/08/10/sally-sussman-speaks-out-on-young-and-restless-and-lesbian-love-story Some excerpts: Daytime Confidential: Mariah and Tessa kissed last week on The Young and the Restless. What was the genesis behind telling a story where two seemingly straight women fall in love? Sally Sussman: When I came into Y&R last September, I had one day's notice to start the job. I had been traveling in France with my feature documentary [Midnight Return: The Story of Billy Hayes and Turkey], and hadn't been watching the show for several years. So, I had nothing prepared and never have started a job like that before. But because of the change happening so fast, I had to jump in with both feet. While starting to write the daily shows, I came up with several stories that I pitched the network; one of which is the love story between Mariah and a new character named Tessa. This is a love story; it's not a gay story. It's about falling in love with a person, not a gender. It is about Mariah and Tessa's self-discovery and it catches them both off guard. People fall in love unexpectedly for all sorts of reasons. Some they understand; some they don't. DC: Per usual with LGBT stories on daytime, some fans are loudly voicing their disapproval on social media. Did you anticipate this? SS: Before the kiss actually aired and the audience was starting to sense where the story was going, I was told by CBS that they had been getting a lot of negative comments. Because I had been away from the daytime genre for 10 years, and was aware that many other soaps had done stories featuring LGBT characters — some as long as 20 years ago — I was honestly a little taken aback by the depth of the negativity. It made me quite sad. When I created Generations, my goal was to make the African-American families where you didn't see race. I had hoped with this story people wouldn't just see gender; they'd feel the honest love between the characters. DC: Y&R fans on social media are questioning the timing of your decision to retire and the launch of the story. Do you regret not being able to stay on and tell the story yourself? SS: The two events are not related; this storyline was approved last October. The material airing now was written in May because the show is three months ahead of air. I know a lot of fans got upset by the only interview I did while at Y&R, which was last October with Michael Logan. He had been faithfully watching the show throughout all the head writer changes and really wanted answers to the loose ends that were left by my predecessor. What he didn't know is that night I had to fly to Vancouver where my 61-year-old brother just died suddenly and unexpectedly. He was my last surviving family member and it devastated me. Thinking about future stories for Y&R was the furthest thing from my mind, so I just made up a bunch of stuff because I hadn't gotten the chance to write a long-term yet. At that point, I honestly didn't think I could make six months in the job. So I'm thrilled to have made it to one year. Also...Sally lets folks know that this was ALL HER IDEAS and she didn't have a bunch of network interference, she was in TOTAL control "But I take responsibility for every scene in every episode as it was all done by me. As head writer you can't farm this work out to your writers or anyone else; to do this job properly you need to be in the trenches on every episode and every scene. So if the audience liked what they saw, great. If they hated what they saw, then I feel badly and disappointed but I know it goes with the territory. I adored my writing team, most of whom I'd never worked with before. They were fantastic to work with, but your writers don't make up the shows. They look to you to guide them and tell them what is in each episode. The same goes for the network and Sony. They give notes of course and most of their notes are actually very helpful and thoughtful. I never had any issues with the network or their input; we had great long-term story meetings, lots of good back/forth; lots of laughter."
  17. The Ben actor is truly terrible. The show definitely needs more alpha males with his size and build (too many skinny long haired men who look alike on this show) but he is just a bad bad actor.
  18. https://www.tvinsider.com/320365/the-young-and-the-restless-daniel-goddard-daytime/ AN EXCERPT: You and Christel have performed all this with remarkable subtlety and restraint. It’s the lack of fireworks that makes the story unique. Christel and I talked a lot about that. Don’t forget, Lily slept with Joe Clark twice and there was no alcohol involved, so there’s a level of guilt on her part that stops her from coming at Cane with a vengeance. She’s not squeaky clean and this has allowed the humanity to play out, as opposed to it being all about anger and retaliation. Whenever you see the submissions for the Daytime Emmy acting awards, it’s always about the guy yelling or the girl crying hysterically. I’m not a big fan of that. I operate within a more quiet, grey area. I don’t get loud until and unless I absolutely need to. Ahhh yes because that's exactly what you want from the leading frontburner story on a daytime drama - no fireworks, muted emotions and whipers.
  19. She's already signed a new contract. I loved Wendy. I don't think she was a superior Dinah but that was mainly because once Cassie entered the picture there was a real real disservice done to her and the writing for Dinah. The edge with Phyllis is an issue, but it's a writing issue. It was one of the reasons Michelle left, she was sicking of doing nothing and just nursing Jack and felt Phyllis had been written well or true to form in a while. I don't really think Mal is the one to get back to that, but I guess we'll see. Also and not for nothing but Dinah was and always will be superior character to Phyllis. Phyllis hasn't been written well in about 10-15 years.
  20. Ugh. And the bad news keeps rolling on in.... Did you see the person who said they were going to quit Y&R and watch the church channel? Absurd.
  21. The article also talks about Jack still very much wanting to be with Nikki so he has to be careful messing with her daughter cause things are going so well for them. It's more about revenge against Billy and Phyllis than wanting her back or anything.
  22. I agree. But there's only so much a director can do if someone can't properly convey an emotional breakdown. He's a director, not a magician. Also on yesterday's show, Lauren and Phyllis were talking about the idea that was brought up 3 months ago about Chelsea 2.0 and Fenmore's. What? I forgot that was even a thing.
  23. Paraphrased from SOD: Phyllis meets with shady businessman Ben Hochman and suggests to him that Victoria is single and he should try to charm her to buy a piece of Brash & Sassy. He asks Victoria out to dinner and she agrees. They wake up in bed together and because of Victoria's head injury she doesn't know what happened. Hilary sees them and tells Jack who uses the info to try to break up Billy and Phyllis. So that makes two fake sexual harassment claims (Gloria/Jack and Cane/Juliet) and now two instances of people waking up in bed and not knowing what happened (Cane/Juliet being first) in a span of like 6 months. This show is really playing fast and loose with consent and just shady sexual situation these days. I don't like it.
  24. What atrocious acting today. Listen, when I saw Doug's tweet about JT and AH I thought it was bitter, over the line and unprofessional. But then I saw today's show and the awful performances from Heinle and Goddard and I can't imagine what it must feel like to be TEB or CLB or ED (who hasn't gotten a thing from this Dina story we can all admit) or KSJ or JW and be sitting on the backburner getting nothing material and watching those performances. It's almost insulting. They were dreadful (and CK wasn't that much better but at least she didn't embarrass herself). On another note, I honestly hope Mal scraps this traficking story completely. Who the hell is Crystal? Who is Zach? Why do I care about her or that he might be involved? Sharon Case absolutely deserves a fronburner story but I'd prefer it not be this. It's already a boring mess.
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