Vizion

So are Carly and Drew going to get together and Nina and Sonny finally sleep together? Is that the new quad coming our way this Spring? Also ugh, I think this show is going to try to tell us that Esme is Ryan and Felicia's daughter somehow and that's why KW is back on contract. Speaking of children and vets, I do not understand why Sofia Mattsson was not just made Serena or Christina Baldwin. Everytime I see a pic or scene with her and Lynn Herring it just reminds me of how dumb it is that she isn't playing Lucy's kid.

Hunter made it abundantly clear on social media (before she quit) that she had no desire to return to the show and didn't care at all if they recast. It was pretty evident she was done and told them they could do whatever they wanted with Taylor.

Richard Burgi just announced on his Instagram Story that he is done with Y&R Here is what he said

He stepped away as headwriter in 1993 and as EP in 1996 but I believe he was still heavily involved with both shows until he got sick and I think that was around 2001/2002. He was still consulting on story which Kay Alden confirmed.

Wait, why is that surprising? Finola and Stafford were close before Stafford joined GH and Stafford and CLB have been best friends for like 20 years.

It was....weird. I guess I got the appeal of Bridge prior to 1992 (but not really because of the Caroline factor) but from 1992-2002 the triangle almost solely consisted of Brooke boohoo'ing and telling Ridge they were destiny and him rejecting her for Taylor. The execption being 1994 when Taylor returned. None of the characters were written particularly well or with much depth though they all had moments I guess? I wish they would have focused more on actually writing better for all 3 characters than just playing the same tired beats over and over. Also I think Tylo's exits greatly affected the writing. KKL and Moss had made it pretty clear that they were content and fine with being lifers on Bold whereas Hunter made it pretty clear that was not in her plans and that disrupted a lot - Hunter always had one foot out of the door. She left in 1994, then returned later in the year, told them in 1995 she was leaving again, left in early 1996 and then returned later that year, and 2000 and 2001 was just some messy back and forth with Hunter and the show because she wanted outs and the ability to do other things and they weren't keen on giving it to her because it would disrupt story arcs (which eventually led to them killing off Taylor in 2002 and then asking Hunter back yet again in 2004). I actually think part of the reason Brooke and Thorne ended so abruptly is because the show thought Hunter was going to leave (she was ONLY agreeing to sign 6 month contract extensions in 2001). But for me the prime of that triangle was actually 1993 from Ridge choosing Taylor which led to Brooke's bitterness and taking the company and then when James was introduced. 1993 was the best year of the show for several reasons- it was the only time Bold reached its potential IMO (and its unfortunate that it was really short lived). I will forever lament the fact that Bill Bell turned it over and Hunter left because they were setting up some interesting dynamics and IMO a stale story (we had already seen a lot of it with Caroline/Ridge/Brooke) had some new life breathed ino it. Also the writing was just SO MUCH SMARTER and all four actors really took to it. We got some interesting scenes between Ridge and Sheila I also preferred James in 1993 more than later years when I felt he had less of a backbone and became a little too preachy. And Stephanie, Jack, Sheila and Eric were weaved into the story well since the fate of Taylor/Ridge/Brooke also had a HUGE effect on Forrester Creations so the stakes felt higher Brooke arriving to a Forrester dinner with James and conflict starting between Taylor and Stephanie Brooke and Taylor arguing over what happened in Big Bear If you watch the scenes leading up to Taylor's death and then the scenes when she wakes up in Morocco, the quality in the writing (and frankly the overall look of the show) is like night and day. Just such a steep decline. I enjoyed the Morocco story fine but when I go back and watch late 1994 compared to early 1994...it is really obvious that the quality just wasn't the same - it really lacked elegance and care.

Lynn Herring does not get enough credit. She is really a gem who brings so much energy to this show whenever she is on. Valentini calls her to the show to do the most random things and she makes it all work and fits in seamlessly. I often think some of the vets don't work well or always seem a little...off when interacting with the newer characters but NEVER Lynn. Put her in a story with Kevin, Laura, Scott and Martin and it works. Put her in an ELQ story with Valentin, Michael, Ned and it works. Put her in a Deception story with Maxie, Sasha and Nina and it works.

GH made Lynn Herring do this. She was pregnant in real life but they had Lucy miscarry. Lynn said she was really concerned about it though because she was playing this scenes mourning a baby and still pregnant and the doctors were telling her to play songs and talk to the baby because they can hear so she was afraid her unborn child would hear her mourning or something. She talked about it quite a bit in a few interviews back then.

I watched out of curiosity. KA was fine but I realized I don't care about this show at all anymore. Before Tylo deleted her Twitter, one of her last interactions with fans was her basically saying she had no interest in returning and playing yet another round of that triangle. Hilarious that they are already hinting that is where this is going right out the gate. I don't care that Ridge and Taylor are played by different actors I don't see a thing fresh about 60 year old characters doing the same merry go round they did almost 30 years ago (but again to be fair I just flat out don't like this show). Good luck and Godspeed Krista I have no idea why they had her wear that ugly and cheap looking wig, it was a mess.

I talked to Nikki N. She said PROMISES that she will put the remaining 1993/1994 episodes up after Christmas. She asked me to have someone remind her where she stopped? Was it before James and Taylor at Big Bear? Also I was scrolling this thread and saw there might be an issue with the vault?

This is exactly my issue. The stakes are so low they're below the ground. Who cares? What exactly is the endgame supposed to be that we're anxious to see?

Hey everyone, Sorry it's been forever and I've missed a zillion emails from Nikki. Do you guys still need the rest of 1994 until Taylor "dies?" I think it stopped at James and Taylor trapped in Big Bear? If so Nikki will do them this week and put them in the vault.

OMG, I forgot qbout Grayson's run on GH. Every scene of his was hilarious because he would overdramatize even the most mundane dialogue.

Honestly? Slam me if you must but most Susan Flannery performances after like 1997. 🥴 Talented as heck but man did I hate the ultraviolent ridiculous cartoon villain they turned Stephanie into. All subtletly was out the window in favor of screaming, yelling, punching, etc. The worst was Phyllis on Y&R when she lost that Phick kid. I don't know what MS was doing (and she goes OTT more often than not) but that miscarriage of "blueberry" was so horrible and such ridiculous scenery chewing.

Nikki added more February and March 1994 episodes at some point yesterday

From Nikki: I added the following Y&R episodes to the vault. Hopefully they aren't duplicates of what's already in there but it's hard to tell because I'm an idiot and didn't label anything. Here is what was added: 1984 episode (in folder labeled "unsure of dates") 1988 episode (in folder labeled "unsure of dates") 4 1994 episodes (in folder labeled "unsure of dates") 2 1992 episodes (in folder labeled "unsure of dates")

From Nikki: I have had some people ask about YR 2004 episodes to see Joan Van Ark so I am adding what I have to the vault and I actually know the dates of a lot of them.

Was Barbados when Lauren was trying to seduce Ridge and Brooke was running around with that doll? Cause that story was atrocious lol. I think it legit was voted worst story of the year in SOD that year lol.

Nikki said she added more episodes to 1994 and asked to remind everyone she doesn't have anything after Hunter left so Taylor's death will be the end of the 94 episodes. Also what is everyone's general opinion of 1995 and 1996 B&B? I am finding those years a chore to watch - all of the focus on Rick and Bridget is nauseating. Why in the world was Brad Bell or whomever so in love with Steve Hartman? That kid ate up so much airtime.

I am not done watching 1994 and I hope we get as much of the early months of that year as possible but I am really struck by how much better the writing was from 92-94 than it was in any other period of the show. Aside from the triangle and even Belief, I enjoyed the Sally/Jack/Stephanie triangle, the Sheila story, Thorne and Macy's marriage troubles, etc. It is crazy to me that Bill Bell seemed to step away this as this show was starting to reach its potential and not soon after you felt the decline. I have obviously seen episodes from late 1994 after Hunter returned and it almost feels like a TOTALLY different show than it was before she left not just how it was written but it even LOOKED like a completely different show.

Nikki said she put some 1993 episodes and 1994 episodes in the vault. "As usual, I don't know the exact dates and I know the Taylor/Brooke confrontation at Big Bear is missing, trying to find that episode"

I have seen many people say this but I can't quite understand why. I mean sure, the Luan story I don't see but I know people think Jack falling in love with Nikki was the start of the character changing and I have seen scenes where Terry's Jack was just as taken with Nikki and I could have easily seen him conning Nikki into marriage only to fall in love with her. This one in particular:

Does anyone have 2000? Especially the early part of 2000 (before May)? It seems like full episodes from the month of January - May are hard to find.

Is the vault down for anyone else?

Nikki posted more 1999 episodes in the vault.