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Last year, thanks to @VeeI saw Kathryn in an early '60s film, Ladybug Ladybug, set at the height of Cold War fears. It reminded me of the grace and intelligence Kathryn brought to her work, as also shown in her lovely, ethereal performance on Star Trek, and of course, as Kim. One of the reasons I had no patience for the clawfest scenes with Kim and Susan that hacks like Sheffer and Goutman were so fond of is because they went against everything Kim was, everything Kathryn Hays brought to the role. Kim was blunt, hard living telling her about the realities of life, but she was not bitchy. At worst she was impatient. I remember a scene that was, I am assuming, during the 1988 writers strike as it was a bit tougher than most of ATWT tended to be under Marland, and also because Kim's ties to Betsy were remembered, where Kim, after learning that Betsy and Seth were together, sat Seth down, and told him that Betsy was like her daughter, and how important they were to each other, how she had, in so many words, seen him go through all of her daughters, and how she simply was not able to support this happening yet again. This could have been a big camporama, full of sour digs and Hays vamping to the skies. Instead, it felt, as Kim so often did, utterly honest. So many grand dames of soaps surrendered to amdram, trying to disguise weak scripts and rushed production schedules, but Kathryn never did. One of the benefits of Goutman and the failures of ATWT's last decade not caring about Kim is that we never got the bilge that ruined so many other icons in those years - no "shocking" reveal that Kim murdered a nanny as a child because of latent DID, or that Don Hughes raped her and she and Lisa killed him and hid the body in the woods, and so on. We still knew Kim, and cared about her. She was still our dear friend, our mother, or our grandmother. I'm so sorry that all of her early work as Kim is gone, likely never to be found. I'm never going to stop wanting to see it. The Locher Room shows gets a lot of hate, and I get why, but the constant anger towards them becomes so overpowering that I think they tend to overshadow the main reason for their worth - to allow fans and veterans to reconnect, one last time. Yes, I would like to know how an actor felt about a storyline from 1987 - who wouldn't? - but right now, I am just glad to know that in her last years, after being on a show that was thrown away like old trash, Kathryn was reminded of the deep love generations of viewers still felt for her. I grew up watching Kim, and Bob, and Nancy, and all my other friends and family in Oakdale, and, bad as most of the last 15 years of the show were, I wouldn't trade that experience for anything. I am sorry for all the people now who never had the pleasure of seeing Kathryn Hays in their living room 2-3 days a week, week after week, month after month, year after year, decade after decade. We were lucky. And I will miss both Kathryn and Kim dearly.

That's interesting. There were rumors about a premiere of a new Lynch project at Cannes, but those seem to have been denied.

Oh that's right. Thanks for reminding me.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2022/04/05/prince-rare-footage-1970/

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I think she was living in her own version of the I Love Lucy potato sack episode, and a designer who thought she was a bitch gave her a doily to wear as the latest fashion from Paris.

@te. Thanks for posting that. At first I thought it must be one of the two or three episodes from 1953 that have been floating around for years now but it doesn't match any of those I could find on Youtube and when I watched I did not really remember it. I'm always happy to see more of that time - Peggy McCay is excellent at making a good woman not seem saccharine or empty, and Jean McBride is fun as naughty Meg. I know McBride wanted to retire, but given that they had already recast Vanessa, I'm not sure why they waited so long to bring Meg back. I wonder, as we have seen so little of the '60s run of the show, if they even mentioned Meg during her decade away.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/mar/23/russian-athletes-face-backlash-after-wearing-z-symbol-at-putin-rally https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/mar/07/shocking-behaviour-russian-gymnast-shows-z-symbol-on-podium-next-to-ukrainian-winner

I don't think that is as true as it used to be. Not that long ago there would have been more Democrats out there praising the Florida legislation and advising the party to co-opt it. The party as a whole has been unified against these bills and know what they are really about. The vicious attacks against KBJ along these lines didn't get much traction in Democratic division outside of anonymous quotes in Punchbowl. And Democrats have managed to bring attention to hypocrisy and ugliness in some cases, like the child marriage bill in Tennessee, while extremists spend a lot of their time of late ranting and raving about Disney, which is all theater to line their pockets, as Disney is generally too big to fail and Disney also has never done anything to fight this type of legislation anyway. With that said, it doesn't really matter even if Democrats are more unified than they used to be - media and the courts and gerrymandering and the general stupidity of the public are all against them. And of course Manchin and Sinema ruining things, which is another topic entirely. I see that James Carville, who is a king of this type of complaining about Democrats to get press, is involved in a failing campaign against John Fetterman, the likely nominee for Pennsylvania Senate. This is a case where I actually wish he was succeeding, because Fetterman is a Bernie dead-ender who went on shows with loathsome grifters like Brie Brie and taunted Jon Ossoff only to later try to glom onto his stock-banning bill after he was elected to the Senate. Fetterman has been ducking debates in part to avoid questions about pulling a gun on a black jogger in 2013. Conor Lamb, with Carville, ran ads on this incident, which have now been pulled off the air. https://www.yorkdispatch.com/story/news/2022/04/01/conor-lamb-revives-gun-incident-attack-john-fetterman-senate-race/7248008001/ Even if Lamb may be more of the same, Fetterman just gives off the entitled, alienating vibe of so many Bernie dead-enders, with many assuming he will win because he wears a hoodie and looks like a professional wrestler. Just more divisive and toxic brocialism to a near-inevitable November loss. It really makes you wonder why the party ,and the base, cannot do better.

I'm so sorry to hear about your mother. Those who don't want to hear about this and that are likely to enable the Republicans who will be ruining their lives whether they pay attention or not. It's very demoralizing. Republicans are now fully unhinged, the party of MTG, calling everyone a groomer and fully supporting insurrection and murder, yet they are as popular as ever, if not moreso. I just hope those who have the resources to leave the country do so while they can.

Very sad to hear this. There are certain 'liberal' people on Twitter who make things all about themselves, or who just exist to grift. Boehlert was never one of those people. Any time I saw a tweet from him I knew it was valuable and insightful.

Sad to hear he's gone. I like him the most of that group of guys of the late '50s/early '60s, pre Beatles. Forget Him is a song I listen to a lot. Such good production and a vocal emotional just in the right ways.

CNBC pushing Russian propaganda.

I think Mac taught Rachel in the '70s. I'm not sure. Beyond Liberace's guest spots, we also saw the pianist for Russ' wife Tracy on occasion during her interminable singing sequences.

Thanks. I really appreciate your taking the time to think back and answer. I remember Vanessa as being a standout of that period, before dull Matt arrived anyway. The Bridget/Vanessa custody tangle was one of the only things keeping me interested.

It will probably suck, and be breathlessly overhyped, as per usual with "Queen Kate." The main thing is she never got to ruin Dot's last moments. I am so grateful to June for letting us have those to ourselves, and our imagination.

I know this wasn't unexpected, but you did think she would be around forever. I first got into EE in 1997, months before Dot's return. I met her through Nigel's eyes, and I will always have a soft spot for that period as a result. The '80s were Dot's heyday, but she had strong, moving moments all the way to the end, when she helped her dear friend Dr. Legg pass on. She was also, above all else, an icon, and a naturally made one, rather than a cheap pastiche like, say Gwen Taylor's character. I'm so glad June quit when Kate Oates arrived and never let that hack defile here character. You will be missed, June.

I was glad for that because I actually thought Judith Blazer was dead. I don't watch a lot of these interviews, to be honest, but in this case, I felt like Patricia herself actually redirected ATWT conversation back to her theater work. Theater seemed to be a lifelong passion for her, and one she is still involved in now. Anyway, I can't remember if I have posted this before, but I have finally stumbled onto this commercial again. It's a bra commercial with, I am 70% sure, Brooke Alexander, but they very obviously dub her voice. I can't remember if I have seen the American version of this. I've seen this happen a few times but it never stops seeming odd. The bra ad airs twice - the last is at 14 minutes or so. This reel also has a detergent commercial with Scott Hoxby, who was in quite a few European commercials (I believe he never spoke in them).

Yes. Thanks. I remember a lot of drama over him wanting to sue for custody but didn't remember if he knew all the details because so much was focused on his seeing Quint's home as an unsafe environment (which to be fair it was). I know that Nola was a pain and that her relationship with Tony was very realistic, but sometimes I have a hard time with it (like in an episode where he told Maureen how much he wanted to punch Nola).

I can see that happening. It also makes sense of why she was still having fantasies about him for a good while (like Shipmates Forever).

I haven't watched much of this, but I've seen that they've repeatedly paid tribute to James Avery and Janet Hubert, which is a lovely thing for them to do.

I don't have as much hate for the Razzies as some do, other than finding them to be tired, but this does bother me. I imagine some of the people involved in this have ties to various Hollywood names. It seems to have been an open secret in recent years among Hollywood people that Bruce was not doing well. If they knew and still gave him that award, it is beyond tasteless.