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It could happen, and I think in some ways that would be enhanced by Nathan being so blank, but I think the momentum is lost. There aren't enough people really close to Nathan who will be there to feel hurt and angry when the truth comes out. Not that I'm complaining but I'm surprised Obrecht hasn't been on more.

I don't think it helped that her return was once again causing problems for Bo and Hope, as JER never wanted to let that story go. The Chelsea story seemed to be despised by the audience. Once that was done, did she have a story beyond bedding various men she shouldn't have? And wasn't she a third wheel to Patch and Kayla? Or am I mixing her up with someone else?

Is it that insane for soaps? If the story was told properly that would be a neat twist on format, with everyone just assuming he's just fine because they are used to people returning from the dead, only to learn too late that he's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

They'd bring in stepkids for Jessie and then write them out without doing anything with them (or just have them be wicked and die). Diana was treated as Jessie Jr, but she was given a poor recast and dead by the early '80s. And now Liz, probably the closest in modern GH to those characters, has also had all her kids written out and minimized, suggesting little future for any of them on the canvas. Given that Monty seemed to have issues with many of those characters the same way TPTB over the last 15 or more years have with Liz, I guess you can't say the show is completely removed from its past...

Yes, other than my mother I never knew much of anyone who cared about the show. GL was also a redheaded stepchild in soap magazines by the time I started reading them (mid '90s). You could talk about the show online, but you also had to deal with factions and also with trying not to think about one moment or another that betrayed us or how close GL always seemed to going off. We're in something of a sweet spot now where most of those heavier elements are gone and we can just think of in the past, what was, what might have been. (I'd still be happy if GL was, miraculously, revived)

What a uniquely lackluster promo. It reminds me of one of those videos where various songs are muted for copyright.

@Vee You may be interested in this sometime.

It does. There was no other show like it and there never will be.

Phew. I thought they'd come back for real rather than as hallucinations. I do think they will bring Esme back for real once they recast Spencer though.

As we're near the end of the year I'm trying to cobble together the things I'm still grateful for in this world. One of the things I appreciate about this thread is how we can rag on the show, many different eras of the show no less, but it's clear we all still loved GL. That's a nuance which can be difficult to understand about soap fans.

It's a reminder of how complicated the dynamics at a show can be when Erika seemed very fond of a producer who enabled Clint Ritchie accidentally hitting her with a chair but had little use for a producer who helped make her workplace easier. I can see why Erika never wanted to be paired with him again, if that was her decision. I just wish she'd had better love interests. She didn't get a decent one again until Charlie, and you see how the show treated that relationship.

The public voted for people who are determined to shatter any anti-trust regulations (unless they involved people Trump hates), so this isn't going to get any better. It's just going to get worse. The best to hope for is "good" billionaires win, if there are any...

That and her eulogy were beautifully done, so much so I can only assume they were a blip and we'll be back to the usual. I also don't think Frank has it out for Lucy, I think it's just easy to write her as an idiot and a town joke, so they do.

I think it was said they were very generous in letting Michael Woods leave when he wanted...more generous than they were with, say, Vincent Irizarry. I guess some producers always have favorites. Backstage at that time sounds horrible. Woods was a good-looking man but I never thought much of him as an actor.

I think Tony would have always been too much of a rebel. He would have made more sense to me as involved in some spy ring, recruited. If not that, a PI. Instead of having Jim be a doctor I would have had him be a cop who clashed with Tony.

It's interesting to me the attempted differences with this story and the Michael Delaney story on AMC several years later. Here, Clint and Sloan were the two main characters who were presented as homophobic (with plenty of layering given to Sloan before he saw the light), although I imagine others would have gone hogwild in being bigoted if they hadn't been tied up elsewhere (like Asa). On AMC, they were, IIRC, going to have several more established characters like Adam and Palmer express homophobic views until the actors insisted their characters would not feel that way. I think that it might have been believable if someone like Kevin had had some questionable views, and they could have used that to cause conflict for Viki and Clint as Clint might defend him and Viki would be appalled, rather than Clint himself saying all these things.

They need to pull the finger out if they have any other romantic plans - they have teased Cody/Lulu, Nathan/Lulu, Dante/Brook Lyn, but nothing happens. Have Dante have a ONS with Nina, I don't care - I'm sure Korte would love an excuse to have someone call Nina a whore.

PC repeatedly demolished them too. I know they were meant to be back together in GH canon after then, but I think it's one of the reasons a lot of viewers weren't that bothered about their split in the last decade. The show's use of Lucy in general has been disappointing beyond my just being happy Lynn Herring is appearing, which I genuinely didn't think she would after she only got one pity appearance for a decade post-PC.

Second Chances lasted for a good portion of a season. The sets being damaged by the earthquake seemed to doom it.

They are likely reluctant to give anyone who isn't white too important a part. I don't think the show sees him as another Alan. Valentini has helped build the Quartermaines back up but I think they still probably see him as being closer to Sonny or Jason for future use.

I forgot to mention Mari Morrow, AKA lap dance Rachel on OLTL. The degradation of this character after Ellen Bethea left was shameful, made worse by hiring someone who couldn't act her way out of hot pants. She never really recovered.

Thanks @Maxim . I had forgotten about Clint objecting to Kevin and Rachel. I will wait and see what happens next in the story before I complain... I feel like that Luna and Blair scene is missing a beat before Luna resorts to putting hands on her. It does reinforce that deep down Luna knows Max doesn't really love her.

Speaking of Lisa Barlow, I saw that she's going to be in the new season of Worst Cooks in America.

Thanks. It was posted here yesterday. The person who uploaded it tends to upload material, delete, and then reupload, so it's been up a few times.

Matthew Robinson, who revived EE in 1998, has written a book about his years at the show. I'm not sure if they are just the blog posts he wrote at Walford Web, but still worth a mention. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Axeman-Cometh-untold-stories-EastEnders/dp/1326059548/