58 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

BTW, was anyone else struck that JGL didn't mention Kate Mansi in her long goodbye message? It's pretty standard to mention someone you shared that much screen time with, so it seems intentional not to mention her.

After all, she had time to be "grateful to Frank" while twice making it clear she was blindsided by being cut.

There have been rumors. (When are there NOT rumors on TwiX?!!!) First, awhile back it was noted that Kate Mansi never mentioned Jackie in her IG account. Now, the whispered voices suggest that Kate did not like Jackie & did not want to play with her. Mostly I ignore this & that's what I am going back to doing ... now. 

3 minutes ago, carolineg said:

🤮.  It's very annoying.   It's not even as if ELR is boring or bad in general.  It's just some stories almost write themselves and positioning her this way is just going to fail.  I predict 6 months before ELR is dumped.

I'd love to believe that, and I think in normal conditions it'd be true. But this is Frank and over half the show is faded soap names and personal faves he refuses to cut.

5 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

Thus why I mentioned wiggle room.  

You and I, here posting, we do this thing sometime. 😉

2 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

There have been rumors. (When are there NOT rumors on TwiX?!!!) First, awhile back it was noted that Kate Mansi never mentioned Jackie in her IG account. Now, the whispered voices suggest that Kate did not like Jackie & did not want to play with her. Mostly I ignore this & that's what I am going back to doing ... now.

OK, but you have to admit the BTS mess is more interesting than the show. 😂

5 hours ago, Aragorn said:

Blaze was my favorite couple on the show. I hope that Blaze returns eventually.

You mean Kraze. 🤌

2 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

Now that you mention it...lol. 

 

NEVER EVER!!!  

Ha!  I clearly won't.  ***looking at watch*** It's only been over 11 years since Vanessa last appeared.😂

Just now, ranger1rg said:

OK, but you have to admit the BTS mess is more interesting than the show. 😂

Ba Dump BAH ching! Yes, the highjinks are far outstripping the plots! 

4 minutes ago, Vee said:

I'd love to believe that, and I think in normal conditions it'd be true. But this is Frank and over half the show is faded soap names and personal faves he refuses to cut.

I fear you might be right.  

8 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Ava's been the scapegoat on and off for years depending on the writing team

Oh, no, does that mean we should set up for a "Poor Ava session"?!!! That poor thing. 

I don’t think Mulcahey was getting rid of Ava, at least not yet. He built in an out with Valentin having been the real person meddling with his meds. If anything, I saw Ava as being moved into the kind of spot characters like Roger were in on GL during his time there. Many times his schemes blew up and he just kept on ticking, always smart about covering his tracks. I think Ava was going to use the meds to be a hero and buy herself some credit while she plotted against everyone. But that was when Mulcahey was there and stories had structure.

At this point it would not shock me if Finn finishes his three months in rehab and is back on the show before the year is out.

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8-8

 

Lord give me strength. Because the whiplash. 

 

These New/Old Writers really hated on what PM wrote, didn't they? Because the logical holes as I was watching this episode had me shaking my head and glaring at the screen. Because some of the things coming out of characters' mouths or how some of the characters acted is just....NO.

 

Since it was the first scene...I'm just start with Wagger and Anna. Cuz I know Anna who not only just helped Valentin escape but was just declaring war on Sonny THREE MONTHS AGO is not here talking to Wagger about not going after Sonny and not to get involved with Ava. You mean the Anna who was slowly building a case against Sonny before getting sidetracked by the Pikeman story...that Anna? Even FH with her lovely tough Anna vibe she had in her scenes with Wagger couldn't sell that dialogue. And if the audience feels it is out of character for said character, yes, the writer has failed. I just can't believe we are back to the Worshipping of Sonny.

 

So now that we are back to Heather...Chris's actual A storyline....LOrrrrd. So not only is Laura appearing to be booted out of the story that was originally hers...not only is Scotty around Heather bring back that slapsticky tone of the old regime le sigh (Note...I did like AM as Heather was more subdued than normal)...but this whole storyline is making Portia out to be not only in the wrong, but as a typical Angry Mad Black Woman trope. Even I went oh heeellll no watching her scene. From Felicia whom Portia rightfully dragged to Liz to even her own DAUGHTER. Propping alert is back, and I'm not liking it. And not even that good scene between Trina and Heather which was the oddity out of the slanted writing could save it. 

 

And oooooh how Jason slid so easy...TOO easy...back into Sonny's Enforcer mode with Ava. I do like that SB appears to be fighting against what's written, keeping the throughline that PM established for him on his return. But it just feels like the last 3 months never happened and frankly I'm disgusted.

 

Well, at least there is still some Alexis.

I just can't fathom how this show has so quickly gone from must see and insightful to a chore in a matter of days. 

5 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Oh, no, does that mean we should set up for a "Poor Ava session"?!!! That poor thing. 

No.  I don't even like Ava.  Her writing is erratic at best.  She is being dumped on in this story when she really didn't do anything wrong except hide the Sonny meds situation.

Carly gets universal praise for barely acting like a human and Ava gets hatred from the entire town.  Neither should be lauded for their excellence and caring, but the town acts like Carly is their queen.

7 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

8-8

These New/Old Writers really hated on what PM wrote, didn't they? Because the logical holes as I was watching this episode had me shaking my head and glaring at the screen. Because some of the things coming out of characters' mouths or how some of the characters acted is just....NO.

The thing I keep coming back to is that supposedly it was Korte who wanted PM in the first place. 

7 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

And oooooh how Jason slid so easy...TOO easy...back into Sonny's Enforcer mode with Ava. I do like that SB appears to be fighting against what's written, keeping the throughline that PM established for him on his return. But it just feels like the last 3 months never happened and frankly I'm disgusted.

I'm just clinging to "Copy that." It's new & different. It is not old Jason to old Sonny. 

Also to Steve & Bradford talking about scenes in their podcasts. 

7 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

 

Well, at least there is still some Alexis.

I just can't fathom how this show has so quickly gone from must see and insightful to a chore in a matter of days. 

Seems like days maybe but I'm pretty sure it's been going on for weeks. I suspect that CVE/Korte have been unwriting & rewriting with fair abandon, ya know? 

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13 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

You and I, here posting, we do this thing sometime. 😉

Indeed. 

 

I felt that PM knew what he had in MW and understood the need for a villain on the show. And not just a normal run-of-the-mill villain, a complex one. And Ava was that. Just look at the scene that was next day after she gave that guy the video of Natalia. She was happy that she was making chaos for Natalia as payback for snatching Ava's chance with Sonny, but PM gave her that scene where she saw the backlash against Blaze in the little corner of her tablet. And Ava froze. You saw emotions. Then there was a knock on her door and Ava went back to Ava-ing. MW played that scene soooo well.

 

I loved all of the maneuvering she was doing during his run. And I felt he did, too, as she was so connected to so many stories. I was thinking a murder mystery for her, or some form of redemption so she pays a little bit for her crimes, but I didn't feel PM was permanently writing Ava out.

 

You have a femme fatale played by a powerhouse...you use it. 

 

18 minutes ago, ranger1rg said:

OK, but you have to admit the BTS mess is more interesting than the show. 😂

Very. 

 

I still would like to know who got PM back in the first place. Cuz FV sure is making everyone that was for it pay for it now.

 

18 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Ha!  I clearly won't.  ***looking at watch*** It's only been over 11 years since Vanessa last appeared.😂

Lol. So true. I do love that she can come back at ANY moment in fit in flawlessly. 

 

14 minutes ago, titan1978 said:

I don’t think Mulcahey was getting rid of Ava, at least not yet. He built in an out with Valentin having been the real person meddling with his meds. If anything, I saw Ava as being moved into the kind of spot characters like Roger were in on GL during his time there. Many times his schemes blew up and he just kept on ticking, always smart about covering his tracks. I think Ava was going to use the meds to be a hero and buy herself some credit while she plotted against everyone. But that was when Mulcahey was there and stories had structure.

So much this. YES. 

 

Roger was a complex villain. 

6 minutes ago, carolineg said:

No.  I don't even like Ava.  Her writing is erratic at best.  She is being dumped on in this story when she really didn't do anything wrong except hide the Sonny meds situation.

Carly gets universal praise for barely acting like a human and Ava gets hatred from the entire town.  Neither should be lauded for their excellence and caring, but the town acts like Carly is their queen.

Yeah, no worries. You are totally off the hook for attendance at a pity party for Ava! Meant to be sarcasm. Oops.