17 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Exactly!

There’s no reason why it had to be written like that and it just killed any kind of hope for Leo. I know I sound like a broken record, but it was the same thing with Joss on GH.

Seriously, what kind of animal treats someone that they say care about so horribly? Betrays them in one of the worst possible ways? And the fact that we’re supposed to take the side of the betrayer made it even worse. This is the 3rd time Ron’s done a storyline like this and honestly, I find it sick. Is this his new “thing” because he can’t do rapemance anymore? 

That was how I felt in 2018; it was refreshing to have a gay villain. But it’s been way too much. And the fact that him and all the horrible things he’s done are always written as so he’s in the right makes it even worse. 

 

Ron could have changed the entire Leo/Dmitri/Gwen narrative if Leo or Dmitri just let Gwen in on the plan.  Instead of making Leo/Dmitri evil the show could have Gwen agree to the marriage and wacky hijinks and schemes would ensue.  It could have been a fun side story.  I personally don't think I would have liked it much, but at least it saves Dmitri and Leo from character destruction and gives Gwen something more lighthearted to do.  There was just a less ugly way to tell this story if we had to tell it. 

Welcome to the board @BeeLol!

Two random questions running through my brain this morning

1. Does Melinda know that Li is dead?
2. Is Gwen in Alamania and has she interacted with Megan?
   1. Megan told Rolf that the Dimitri failed to get his inheritance from the marriage, and Gwen left to get her part of the inheritance, so I wonder if they met?

6 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Ron could have changed the entire Leo/Dmitri/Gwen narrative if Leo or Dmitri just let Gwen in on the plan.  Instead of making Leo/Dmitri evil the show could have Gwen agree to the marriage and wacky hijinks and schemes would ensue.  It could have been a fun side story.  I personally don't think I would have liked it much, but at least it saves Dmitri and Leo from character destruction and gives Gwen something more lighthearted to do.  There was just a less ugly way to tell this story if we had to tell it. 

That would’ve worked, but I still think that Ron’s a little too misogynistic for that 

1 minute ago, j swift said:

Two random questions running through my brain this morning

1. Does Melinda know that Li is dead?
2. Is Gwen in Alamania and has she interacted with Megan?
   1. Megan told Rolf that the Dimitri failed to get his inheritance from the marriage, and Gwen left to get her part of the inheritance, so I wonder if they met?

1. Yes

2. Gwen is in Alamainia, but Megan wasn’t mentioned at all. 

Remember that very unfunny scene where Leo impersonated Gwen so that the Von Leuschner attorney would think they were married?  Didn't the lawyer see through their scam and told Dimitri that he felt Dimitri's love for Leo (barf), but he had to stay married for a year, and he would check back in later, then give him his money?

1. So, how does Megan know that Dimitri failed to get the inheritance (because he hasn't actually failed yet)?
2. And I recall the flashback of how Gwen found out Dimitri was cheating, but was Kristen the one to tell her about the inheritance?

I ask all of this because I assume Gwen's return will coincide with the conclusion of Dimitri's story (there's been no goodbye post from PP on social media, a good clue that he'll pop up again).

The lawyer turned out to be gay & was persuaded that they had a real love & granted him his inheritance & put into place his getting the first installment & other installments were to follow. We the audience don't have any knowledge about any subsequent installments.

Kristen told Gwen that Dimitri was cheating with Leo & Gwen claimed that she already knew. We the audience do not know if Gwen was being truthful or not about already knowing. But, she did tell Kristen of things that happened & alleged that this & that caused her to first be suspicious & then to know. 

 

Edited November 17, 20232 yr by Donna L. Bridges

Days was boring today without Leo! He's my favorite character. Heard that Greg Rikkart is still taping. So 9 more months, at least, of Leo. Yes!

Lol!  Nice to see Leo has 1 fan besides Ron.  Not saying GR/Leo is without fans completely but this post feels a little trolly compared to the rest of the entire internet.  Are you Ron @TEdgeofNight?

1 minute ago, carolineg said:

Lol!  Nice to see Leo has 1 fan besides Ron.  Not saying GR/Leo is without fans completely but this post feels a little trolly compared to the rest of the entire internet.  Are you Ron @TEdgeofNight?

Oh, goodness, no, he's been here forever & has spent untold amounts of burned calories dogging my posts & trying to make my life miserable. He very very frequently posts something, anything that puts him in a position of being 2% against 98%. If most of the people in a given thread were asserting a blue sky he'd appear out of nowhere & post 3 lines where he made it clear that any idiot could see that the sky is kelly green. 

4 minutes ago, Donna L. Bridges said:

Oh, goodness, no, he's been here forever & has spent untold amounts of burned calories dogging my posts & trying to make my life miserable. He very very frequently posts something, anything that puts him in a position of being 2% against 98%. If most of the people in a given thread were asserting a blue sky he'd appear out of nowhere & post 3 lines where he made it clear that any idiot could see that the sky is kelly green. 

Listen, everyone is entitled to their opinion.   It was just a very baiting post (my fault for responding) in a thread where we were intelligently discussing Leo and his flaws and how the story could have been better.  To each their own though!

2 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Listen, everyone is entitled to their opinion.   It was just a very baiting post (my fault for responding) in a thread where we were intelligently discussing Leo and his flaws and how the story could have been better.  To each their own though!

I thought your reply was hilarious, fun, on point, ... please do not beat yourself up unless it is with a wet noodle! 

I've been watching soaps for forty years, I can tolerate flawed human beings who make one awful decision after another (some of my favorite characters). My issue with Leo is the trying too hard to be clever dialogue. If I want to roll my eyes at a gay man's failed witticisms, I'll go to a drag show. I'd like to see a gay heavy written like Xander for instance. 

4 hours ago, carolineg said:

Lol!  Nice to see Leo has 1 fan besides Ron.  Not saying GR/Leo is without fans completely but this post feels a little trolly compared to the rest of the entire internet.  Are you Ron @TEdgeofNight?

Aw gee. You found me out! 
P.S. - how do you find time to read the entire internet? 

3 minutes ago, TEdgeofNight said:

Aw gee. You found me out! 
P.S. - how do you find time to read the entire internet? 

I am a speed reader😉  Please send me to the Leo fan posts-I missed them.  But go wild with your Leo love.  I am just curious if you thought your post was slightly baiting or did you just not have time to read this entire thread?   I just tend to be pretty suspect of people who come in and out of this board with extremely contrary opinions.  No harm, no foul.  I am not looking for a silly fight over Leo.  Not worth my time.

7 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I am a speed reader😉  Please send me to the Leo fan posts-I missed them.  But go wild with your Leo love.  I am just curious if you thought your post was slightly baiting or did you just not have time to read this entire thread?   I just tend to be pretty suspect of people who come in and out of this board with extremely contrary opinions.  No harm, no foul.  I am not looking for a silly fight over Leo.  Not worth my time.

I can hear it in a song, rather than It's just a silly love song, It's just a silly Leo fight. 

12 hours ago, j swift said:

To your point @carolineg, Ben developed psychopathology after living through a traumatic childhood.  He was written as an insane person with uncontrollable impulses.  And (production issues aside) I can see the value in telling a story about trying to recover from that experience through therapy.  Leo has not been written as having an emotional disorder in response to his childhood abuse.  So, his behaviors are a choice, which makes him a jerk.

Going back to my pathological optimism, I feel bad when we all pile up on him, but he's written as having low moral value.  The only thing positive I can say about the character is that unlike many LGBTQI characters who are just a symp for powerful women, at least we get some representation of the 'mean gays' on TV, because he has betrayed everyone he meets. 🙄

An interesting view, Pollyanna!

1 hour ago, SFK said:

I've been watching soaps for forty years, I can tolerate flawed human beings who make one awful decision after another (some of my favorite characters). My issue with Leo is the trying too hard to be clever dialogue. If I want to roll my eyes at a gay man's failed witticisms, I'll go to a drag show. I'd like to see a gay heavy written like Xander for instance. 

Indeed! they missed the car on making Leo likeable after the Diana debacle back in 2019 with zero change in him! By now, a better writer would've written Leo off into the sunset, i would send both him and Dimitri to prison! Better yet, A brazilian Prison so they couldn't be together! (Here if you have a diploma you are treated to a solo cell while the rest mingles together!)