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Dallas Discussion Thread

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Southfork opened, its doors and problems 10 years ago by TOM GREEN Gannett News Service

HoLLYWOOD-Still nasty after all these years. Hard to believe, darlin,but "Dallas" the TV show that defined the four basic food groups of the primetime soap (greed, lust, vanity and power), is 10 years old. "I knew when I got shot that we were going to be the hottest thing ever,"says Larry Hagman who made J.R. Ewing the meanest two timer in the history of avarice and. as a result, just about the world's most beloved TV character. A total of 200 million viewers a year worldwide have tuned in since "Dallas' " made its debut as a five-part miniseries April 2,1978 on CBS. They've watched a full decade in delicious horror as the filthy rich Ewings learned absolutely nothing of human value. J.R. still thinks fidelity is when you li but don't steal. But the fans love it.

"Dallas" created an appetite for trysting and swindling that spawned rivals "Dynasty" and "Falcon Crest." "Knots Landing," in fact, is a "Dallas" spinoff. The Who Shot JR? cliffhanger episode in 1980 - it was Mary Crosby as Kristin -snared a 77 share of the audience. Only the "M-A-S-H" farewell show topped if. Three times, the series has been the season's highest rated. But the current season has brought some gloom to the set of TV's first primetime soap. The show slipped barely out of the top 10 last season (finishing 11th) and is struggling to hold the No. 23 primetime spot this season. CBS is dragging its feet on renewal, and the feeling is strong that the show is too costly, especially since lucrative repeats and Syndication airings are " ratings duds. But cancellation is not expected.

Dallas still is beleaguered CBS' fourth highest-rated show (after "60 Minutes," "Murder. She Wrote" and "Newhart"). It will be back, but probably in a revamped form that shrinks the ' cast to save money and gives each episode a beginning and end. But a little uncertainty has not dulled an appreciation of 10 years of accomplishments. "I have the sweetest memories of the miniseries." says Victoria Principal, who played Pam Ewing until exiting the show last season. "Those are still my five favorite shows." "Dallas" began, really, as Pam's story. "We used to call it 'Pammy Knows Best." " says executive producer Leonard Katzman. "Then we began to feel that the show wouldn't have a long life that way, the story of a wife who solves everyone's problems." The miniseries was not a huge hit, hut CBS picked it up for the fall. The character of J.R. clicked instantly.

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    I agree that Hagman and the others had it out for her. I think with time and distance - I might have kept Miss Ellie away for an entire season - viewers could have moved on. But there still wasn't eno

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Poor Victoria, she had fun playing tough wrong side of the tracks Pam in the mini-series, but when J.R. (and Sue Ellen) became the breakout characters, the show declawed her.

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3 hours ago, Paul Raven said:

But the current season has brought some gloom to the set of TV's first primetime soap. The show slipped barely out of the top 10 last season (finishing 11th) and is struggling to hold the No. 23 primetime spot this season. CBS is dragging its feet on renewal, and the feeling is strong that the show is too costly, especially since lucrative repeats and Syndication airings are " ratings duds. But cancellation is not expected.

Dallas still is beleaguered CBS' fourth highest-rated show (after "60 Minutes," "Murder. She Wrote" and "Newhart"). It will be back, but probably in a revamped form that shrinks the ' cast to save money and gives each episode a beginning and end. But a little uncertainty has not dulled an appreciation of 10 years of accomplishments. "I have the sweetest memories of the miniseries." says Victoria Principal, who played Pam Ewing until exiting the show last season.

Dallas final four seasons overlapped with CBS primetime third place mess era.

1987/88 goes off the rails in the aftermath of Pamela disappearance. Nielsen people meters wreak havoc. CBS primetime drops to third place.

1988/89 effectively over with Sue Ellen departure. This was the writer's strike delayed season and the after effects were felt throughout.

1989/90 and 1990/91 waste of time. Regularly losing the the time slot.

Was Dallas still in broadcast syndication in the late 1980s and early 1990s? As far as cable broadcasts, I don't remember when the TNT reruns were but I remember the TNN reruns around 1996, 1997.

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4 minutes ago, kalbir said:

Was Dallas still in broadcast syndication in the late 1980s and early 1990s? As far as cable broadcasts, I don't remember when the TNT reruns were but I remember the TNN reruns around 1996, 1997.

Dallas (first series) | Dallas | Fandom

Beginning in fall 1984, Dallas was packaged for off-network syndication by Lorimar to local stations; among the stations to purchase the program initially was the Dallas-Fort Worth KDAF Channel 33 which later became the FOX affiliate until 1994. Only the first 222 episodes (seasons 1 through 9) were part of the syndication package. However, Dallas did not achieve the same type of rating success in local markets as it did during its CBS primetime run.

During the 1990s, the show aired briefly on TNT (from September 1992 to August 1993, again the first nine seasons only), followed by a run on TNN beginning in the fall of 1997 (the first network to air all 357 episodes of the original series, but the episodes were heavily edited for time), and from 2003 to 2008 the entire run aired on SoapNet. On January 1, 2011, CMT aired the show for one day, and prior to the premiere of the 2012 sequel, select episodes were shown on CMT and its website.

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@DRW50 Thank you for the info re Dallas reruns.

I wonder if there were any CBS affiliates that aired Dallas reruns head-to-head vs. Oprah. We know Fall 1986 Oprah going national changed the broadcast syndication game.

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The TNN run actually started in the summer of 1996. I graduated high school that year and I remember big ads in SOD with the 70's cast photo stating " Southfork Opens It's Gates Again on TNN". I tuned in and watched the entire run. Yes, the episodes were heavily edited and sometimes you could tell they were sped up as they looked jittery and time compressed. Also, that same year CBS did the reunion " J.R. Returns".

TNN became defunct by the end of the 90's. Gaylord hired a CEO that dismantled Opryland theme park and shut down TNN which operated from there. After he was canned the new CEO was like " What the heck was that guy thinking". Much like Eddie Lampert dismantled Kmart & Sears by getting rid of Marthat Stewart, Jaclyn Smith, and Bob Vila.

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I just completed episodes 8 & 9 of the reboot's second season. The first episode was JR's funeral which was as shallow as you'd expect from these writers. They brought people back but everything felt shallow.

With Mandy back, it would've been a good opportunity to have a line of JR's women. You could have Mandy sitting with Sly, Serena and Marilee Stone and played that cad part of his history. Even if they couldn't get those actresses back, just having a bunch of women filling that role would've been a nice touch. It felt odd pairing her with Sue Ellen and Cally who were both married to him and had his kids. They also didn't mention that Cally had a son with him, another missed opportunity when you think of his legacy on the show.

Then after the mediocre memorial, you have the return of Valene to wrap up Gary's return. the sad thing here is that on paper they did have a good story that could've lasted the entire season. Gary was also a welcome presence with JR gone. They hinted at so many things, but we barely saw anything. Gary relapsing, a potential romance with Sue Ellen, Valene returning to feud with Sue Ellen and get her man back--all interesting things that make sense from a character standpoint but they glossed over all of it.

This show moves so fast that even when they stumble upon something interesting, it's over so fast they can't act on it.

Now the absolute worst part of the series thus far is the destruction of Cliff Barnes. They had Cliff bomb an oil rig with his heavily pregnant daughter on the rig. You'd think they'd play it with him not knowing she was there but nope, we see him on camera telling the guy to blow it up with her on it. To make matters worse, he framed his nephew Christopher for the explosion!

Cliff gave as good as he got when it comes to the Ewing/Barnes feud but I never found him to be an outright villain. I also can't see him potentially killing his daughter and ultimately killing her twin babies. Just a shocking out of character twist.

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Once Dallas dropped out of the Top 10, it was clear it was on a downward trajectory. It was time to move it back to 10pm with a strong new 9pm show to provide a good lead in and stabilize the ratings. But. as mentioned, CBS was a mess, so they let Dallas continue to slide.

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