17 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

Just a reminder: Even during the best Bill Bell years, there were 20 things to complain about in every episode.

 

Under Sally, this show is MILES better than it's been in over a decade. It's MILES better than the other three soaps. Just pointing that out since these pages are filled with complaints about characters, story, and actors. 

 

+1

 

The expectations are/were so high for SS/KA, that there's no way that they will satisfy everyone.  I believe that they have made a huge impact in quite a short period of time, more so than any other regime change in recent history.  

 

Is the show perfect?  No.  There is work left to do, but it will never be perfect.  I do think that this regime is the best we can hope for to get us somewhat closer to Bell's show.

 

I wonder if the people complaining that it's "boring" have been soap-brainwashed by over 10 years of catastrophe after catastrophe, irrational characterizations and publicity stunts.

 

3 hours ago, MoTheGreat said:

 

You don't remember people cheering on Chloe when her & CKLily was going up against each other.

 

Khlail's Lily is one of the MAIN reasons Rikaart's ass is still on the show.

1 minute ago, DeeeDee said:

 

Khlail's Lily is one of the MAIN reasons Rikaart's ass is still on the show.

In what way?

9 minutes ago, DeeeDee said:

 

Khlail's Lily is one of the MAIN reasons Rikaart's ass is still on the show.

 

He the one who made her interesting. Alex made her interesting. Her going on the run makes her interesting. When Dru smack the [!@#$%^&*] out of her made her interesting. All these things she was being the victim in, made her interesting.

Edited January 7, 20178 yr by MoTheGreat

1 hour ago, Juliajms said:

Absolutely.

 

As for CK Lily I think she's one of the characters most hurt by Coleen's death.  I wonder if they could fill the gap with Abby.  She needs another circle of people to be around now that she's divorced. I really wish they would let her and Devon be friends again.  She could have been someone he confided to about Hillary.  That way Lily wouldn't have to do all the heavy lifting when it comes to pushing Devon to stand up for himself.  I think Abby, Lily, Hillary, Devon and Mariah could all be helped by adding Abby to that group.

 

No matter how they do it they need to get the Winter's out of the bubble they are in right now. 

 

Hilary and Devon were out if their bubble when this GC buzz story started. They were rarely interacting with neil and lily. But the Christmas holiday and this accident brought them back in each others orbit. 

 

I agree about Abby. She needs something to do and having her be the voice of reason would give the interactions more layers. 

I think the only person I ever liked Christel Khalil's Lily with was Michael Graziadei's Daniel 

Just now, GMac said:

Is the show perfect?  No.

 

Who asked for Y&R to be perfect?

 

Many viewers fully understand what the extensive damage the revolving door of headwriters has done to this show. But at lot of valid critique being discussed here is about the accuracy of the writing & how little change is actually really happening.

 

Don't make a huge fuss about this new regime "bringing back to Y&R to its roots" then get mad because viewers are rightfully critiquing the current regimes flaws. You can't have it both ways.

5 minutes ago, cassadine1991 said:

In what way?

 

I think people like his introduction to the show with Lily.

Just now, MoTheGreat said:

 

I think people like his introduction to the show with Lily.

Oh. Yeah. Those first 3 years of Kevin were great 

5 minutes ago, cassadine1991 said:

In what way?

 

Viewers did NOT sympathize with her Lily.

 

That, coupled with virulent racism from a large swath of viewers, allowed Y&R to provide every excuse to keep Kevin on the show.

14 minutes ago, MoTheGreat said:

 

Or other options because we know the writers would give Hillary another option at some point.

 

It's interesting that the show has steadily refused to give Devon another real option or Hilary a rival for him. 

Just now, ajsp35801 said:

 

It's interesting that the show has steadily refused to give Devon another real option or Hilary a rival for him. 

Didn't at one time the show was chemistry testing Devon with Chloe and Abby?

3 minutes ago, MoTheGreat said:

 

I think people like his introduction to the show with Lily.

 

Mo, that's disgusting. Lol

2 minutes ago, DeeeDee said:

 

Viewers did NOT sympathize with her Lily.

 

That, coupled with virulent racism from a large swath of viewers, allowed Y&R to provide every excuse to keep Kevin on the show.

 

 

That also means black viewers also didn't sympathize with her Lily either. I believe if it was a uproar he would have been dismiss off the show but then again they don't care about their black viewers. For them to bring her back & get rid of Dru.

Edited January 7, 20178 yr by MoTheGreat

The question isn't whether the show is perfect because it's far from it - it's whether it's progressing or has moved in a better direction. I think it has. A soap working to make changes on a systemic and character-based level, however slow but measured, is a rarity in this day and age. I think there have been swift and obvious changes as well as slower ones. And I think it's worthwhile to acknowledge positive change happening.

 

Nothing is ever going to match up to a subjective or ideal version of sweeping change that we cultivate inside our own heads. But we should be willing to engage fairly with what does occur as opposed to dismissing it outright.