The Flash: Discussion Thread

[quartermainefan]

Yeah, this  year has not started out strong.   I like the addition of Jay and Earth 2 but the new romantic interest is just too cute and quirky.  I don't care about Iris' mother and FFed her every scene,   The new Firestorm was introduced rather abruptly and I don't know, am I supposed to automatically be interested in him because he is now Firestorm?   With Ronnie they at least laid some groundwork. 

Arrow is off to a much stronger start.

[London]

Still not loving this show this season. I do enjoy Kendra and can't wait for LoT to see her in action.

Hawkman pushing her off the building was too funny and then Barry & Cisco's face when he said let's do it again.

[quartermainefan]

I loved the crossover and I liked they got Carter and Shayera sort of right as reincarnated lovers.   I thought the integration of the two casts was seamless and the whole thing was a great action story, probably be better than Superman v Batman.  Looking forward to tomorrow.

[London]

Sucks that Wally was introduced with the final 50 secs of the show.

[slick jones]

Another solid episode. This season has been very good so far.

[slick jones]

Oh well, whoever at the CW wants Shantel VanSanten work must be sending her elsewhere. I don't know why they keep casting her at the CW, she's no leading actress... Otherwise, good eppy as usual.

[Juliajms]

Patty was a terrible character. She was completely lacking in charisma.

[slick jones]

All of her characters are like this...

[London]

Let us pray she just does not show back up. I'm ready for her to stay far away from The Flash universe.  I hope we see more Wally and the West Family.

[quartermainefan]

This last week's episode was perfect.   I loved seeing each and every counterpart and it was a nice touch with the mother.  I liked that Earth 2 has this retro yet futuristic esthetic.  It's deco  and   new at the same time.  Jay needs to become less mopey.   It's getting old.

[P.J.]

It was just kind of "eh" for me. It was a likeable episode---but it felt really gimmicky. I get the "oooh-look-doppelganger" thing---for about five seconds. Caitlin in a bad wig and blue lipstick is as boring as Earth 1's good Caitlin.

[P.J.]

So...the man in the mask is the real Jay Garrick? And Zoom is somehow managing to impersonate him and be in two places at once? I mean, why would Zoom bother to hide the prisoner's identity if it wasn't because he was impersonating Garrick? The old "prisoner 5x5 code" was a huge tip off, not to mention, I swear in one shot you saw the back of the prisoner's neck, and the hair color looked the same.

That also means that Caitlin's probably "healing" him with the Vector9 serum, thus endangering them all.

[quartermainefan]

No, Jay Garrick is a total hero in Flash lore and I can't see the show changing that.   I think the real clue is despite Zoom being from Earth 2 his costume is a modified version of Barry's Earth 1 costume.  I am tempted to say Zoom is the so far unseen Jay Garrick from Earth 1.  Everyone has a counterpart but he doesn't seem to unless he appeared in one of the few episodes I missed.  So Zoom could be a Jay Garrick or this prisoner could be the other Jay Garrick but that seems unlikely,.   Other than Barry everyone's counterpart has been opposite, so it might stand to reason Jay's is too.   Another solid episode. 

[P.J.]

I think I need to clarify---I think the prisoner in the mask is the real Earth2 Jay Garrick. And Zoom is impersonating him to the gang on Earth 1.  There's no real reason for Zoom to put a mask over the prisoner's face unless it's someone everyone would recognize. PrisonerX is in this super secret local with only Jesse to see him. "Jay" did show Caitlin the supposed Earth1 "Jay Garrick", because she thought they could use him to try and regenerate Jay's damaged cells. "Jay" told her that Earth1's "Jay Garrick" had been adopted and has a different name and is a professor or teacher or something.

 

What I don't know is how Zoom might have been in two places at once, if Zoom and "Jay" were ever in the same place at the same time. There was that thing in Season 1 when the team thought they had captured ReverseFlash, but it was just a hologram or something---but I don't remember the deets. (oy, this "science" is a lot more confusing that ST:TNG's ever was. Although maybe I just don't care enough to try and keep it straight.)

[quartermainefan]

Ok, so I have to have a new theory since clearly I was wrong.   Earth 3 maybe, or evil Zoom Jay is from 1000 years in the future.  Barry will prevent Jay from doing whatever it was that turned him evil, and Zoom will never exist.    The man in the iron mask could be Jay as well plucked from another point in the timestream,