This is the only opinion I'll offer on the matter: Soap fans were furious when Oprah refused -- Flipcam video and all -- to take up the two canceled shows on her new network OWN. They were pissed off that someone who had an actual connection to one of the soaps (her cameo on AMC in the early 80s) would dare refuse to take on something that a major network deemed not viable and include it as part of her fledgling network. Prospect Park comes along, says they'll purchase the rights to the shows -- but put them on the internet -- then suddenly they become the evil ones because HOW DARE THEY NOT PUT THIS BACK ON TELEVISION?!?!

There's an elitist mentality that some (not all... note that I clarified that before any of you come at me, only for me to hand you your ass) of the Prospect Park detractors have had since day one. Moving the shows from network television to the internet is beneath them. They won't support anything Prospect Park tries to do with these shows unless it's done in a form of which they approve.

I truly believe that a majority of the know-it-alls that hated Prospect Park and their decision to keep this moving from the start would have all of a sudden sang a different tune if, instead of the internet, said they sold the shows to Bravo or something.

In the words of Sheldon (my personal hero). BAZINGA!

Thank you!I'm just wondering how long it will take before we here some lame ass excuse and the shows are gone once again.

I think you meant hear. I'm thinking about starting a pool. About which lasts longer. GH on abc? Or OLTL on PP?

I think GH is probably safe til sometime next year at least. But then I think the same of OLTL and AMC. So I really can't say. I do know if that TOLN works, it is GH's destination.

Edited May 17, 201312 yr by Vee

I think GH is probably safe til sometime next year at least. But then I think the same of OLTL and AMC. So I really can't say. I do know if that TOLN works, it is GH's destination.

That's what makes it interesting. I'm only including GH on ABC. it would be sweet if PP is so successful it wouldn't bother with the garbage that is GH.

Does anyone know the full details of PP's licensing agreement? When is it up?

Isn't their agreement for ten years, meaning it's up in 2021 or '22? I could be wrong.

I don't think it's a question of GH vs. OLTL or AMC. But I think that's what makes it personal for some people. I don't see it that way. I watch them all.

I don't think it's a question of GH vs. OLTL or AMC. But I think that's what makes it personal for some people. I don't see it that way. I watch them all.

I admit. It's personal for me.

 Are we not beyond the ludicrous rivalry between these two shows that somehow one show "deserved" the relaunch more. You make some valiad points re: PP not being trusted, but you lost me once you said "AMC had poorer ratings than OLTL, so it shouldn't have been relaunced." We are talking miniscule differences in ratings lol, if that even matters.

Preach! Even though AMC is slightly more my top soap than OLTL, I will make you claim that it deserved to be saved and OLTL canceled. We do know OLTL's ratings (after really dropping again post the Kish fiasco the previously year) were on the rise--extremely slowly, and were stronger than AMC which was also the more expensive show. But otherwise, to call one well rated and the other to have "horrific" ratings when they are tiny poitns away (and had been going up and down opposite each other for YEARS) is some weird soap claim I never get.

"Dishonest company" compared to who? ABC? P&G? CBS? NBC? This is business. None of these people are angels, but I don't care about that and I never did - what I care about is whether the shows work for me as a viewer. And nobody is being held hostage or mistreated.

It's hard to compare how dishonest PP is compared to the other companies listed. They are all dishonest, but that doesn't excuse PP's conduct.

Are we not beyond the ludicrous rivalry between these two shows that somehow one show "deserved" the relaunch more. You make some valiad points re: PP not being trusted, but you lost me once you said "AMC had poorer ratings than OLTL, so it shouldn't have been relaunced." We are talking miniscule differences in ratings lol, if that even matters.

ANdyet AMC has been ranking higher on the Hulu charts than OLTL. Although, like the ratings between AMC and OLTL in the end the difference really doesn't amount to much (to call AMC's ratings horrendous is kinda hysterical--especially the end. I mean horrendous compared to what?) I suspect AMC does have, cliche or not, the bigger name recognition--even without Lucci it's the one the media has picked slightly more on, and the one I hear from friends where their parents who haven't watched for ever are now giving it another chance. I think it was smart to launch both at once for name recognition--the two make a bigger impact together, even if PP didn't seem to understand that regardless, some people would watch one over the other.

AMC still had better numbers than ATWT, for example--and for whatever reason its cancelation had a bigger fanoutcry (though I admit this was partly due to AMC and OLTL being booted at the same time.)

I agree with most of your post though--although I do think PPhas done some shady things, not launching the soaps the first time IMHO is not one of them. It did show how ill prepared they were, but they realized they simply couldn't do it--and then spent nearly a year working hard to see how they could. I'm sure many companies would count as being as unethical as them.

I think there's also the fact that, wrong or right, PP thougth they would be taken more seriously if they launched with TWO shows, not just one--with two they have a brand to build on. Add to that, I'm sure they banked on Susan Lucci joining (remember the shady thing they did where to try to pressure her into signging last year they reportedly leaked to the press that maybe they would just go with OLTL and wait and see with AMC.) Her name probably would have gotten more media attention, etc.

DOn't get me wrong, I am not foolish enough to think AMC was doing well (though I think--perhaps the nostalgia factor it did get slightly higher finale ratings than One Life), but to act like the final two years of OLTL had really great ratings and the not very different OLTL numbers were "horrific" is just not true.

I am sorry if I gave you gentlemen the impression that I thought OLTL was doing "great" ratings-wise (as others hyped at the time). I guess I meant to say that one could conclude cancelling OLTL was a mistake simply because its ratings rose somewhat after it was cancelled (to the point where it was doing better than GH and DOOL), and--based on that reason alone--it therefore deserved another chance more than AMC did. (Although honestly, I think OLTL also does not deserve a relaunch as other non-last place soaps have been cancelled, combined with the fact that OLTL's ratings really were not that good.) Because AMC remained in last place until the end (aside from perhaps its last few weeks), my point was that there was no objective criterion to relaunch the show (over any other soap that was dead last when it was cancelled). However, Eric gave some other great explanations (which I never thought of) that elaborate why PP may have wanted to relaunch AMC along with OLTL.

I 1000% agree with this. The shows should have been exclusive to Hulu Plus. For the most part, I think soap fans (the ones who are watching all the episodes of one or both shows) are loyal and although some would have griped, most would have ultimately paid. It might not even have been a bad idea to offer the first two weeks for free as a preview and then do this. Ughh I wish SON posters were making business decisions for PP.

Thank you for the kind words. This is just a guess, but I think that the panic may be due to the fact that far fewer soap viewers than expected are signing up for Hulu Plus. Making these shows exclusive to Hulu Plus would obviously eliminate this problem of "freeloading." Of course, the downside is they won't get any casual viewers to try out these shows, but at this point, I think the audience PP most wants to reach is the die-hard fans (who would be willing to pay a fee to watch the soaps).

Edited May 18, 201312 yr by Max

It's hard to compare how dishonest PP is compared to the other companies listed. They are all dishonest, but that doesn't excuse PP's conduct.

Lmao. Those nasty capitalists. Bolsheviks will rise again! In the soaps.

Edited May 18, 201312 yr by rhinohide

Lmao. Those nasty capitalists. Bolsheviks will rise again! In the soaps.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

The FX Canada website has removed everything AMC & OLTL related

Can someone who has FX Canada remind me when AMC and OLTL are supposed to air on that channel? I went to their official website after reading LeClerc's post, and I'm looking at the skeds for next week, and...they're not on 'em.

I don't think it's a question of GH vs. OLTL or AMC. But I think that's what makes it personal for some people. I don't see it that way. I watch them all.

I admit. It's personal for me.

I always believed, even if someone isn't a fan of all three or even two of them, they need to go together the same way GL/ATWT go together.

They all compliment each other plus they all had there share of crossovers since the 60s!!

if you want to get the feeling when you are with your hip sister you watch OLTL. if you want to get the feeling when you are with your adventurous brother you watch GH. If you want to get the feeling when you are with your down to earth and traditional grandmother and want to see how Agnes Nixon with her creations "Jesse and Angie" revolutionized the way the galaxy perceives African American individuals and liberated African American's across the globe you watch AMC.